The "I know its only February and Mrs Grey is going to scream "Noooooo" but..." transfer thread

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  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Bazshuayi said:

    We could always buy Brentford... We'll get Toney, Raya, Henry, Pinnock and Eriksen briefly plus their transfer scouting system ;)

    Not so much a scouting system as they are heavily into analytics.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited April 2022
    alderz said:

    Seen on Instagram that Ex has said we’re after Lingard, Tarkowski and Brereton-Diaz on free’s in the summer.

    Question is, do they strengthen the first eleven, which is Moyes' MO with transfers.

    Lingard does, based on what he did for us last year, although when you look at his career as a whole, this could have just been a purple patch. But so many times this season we've been in situations in the attacking third when we've been crying out for Lingard's pace and direct running. He walks into our first eleven at the moment.

    Tarkowski? Not sure, to be honest. Haven't seen much of Burnley this season but is he better than Ogbonna, Zouma or Dawson? 100% a Moyes player but we really need a CB with pace and good ability on the ball, IMO.

    And is Brereton-Diaz better than Antonio? Hard to know, really. Most of Diaz's goals have come this season; last time out he only scored 7 in 40 Championship games. Another one-season wonder? I think Blackburn have an option on him so I don't know that he's actually on a free in the summer anyway.
  • whupathmanwhupathman
    Kretinsky's money stuck in Russia it seems so money may not be their if left to the Dave's
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    That's us in a nutshell. A broke Icelandic billionaire and now a billionaire whose money is stuck in Russia hahaha
  • alderzalderz
    OldCastleSwift said:

    alderz said:

    Seen on Instagram that Ex has said we’re after Lingard, Tarkowski and Brereton-Diaz on free’s in the summer.

    Question is, do they strengthen the first eleven, which is Moyes' MO with transfers.
    I don't think this is strictly true.

    We've spent all season frustrated that Kral, Vlasic, Areola don't really get any game time, so clearly they don't improve the first eleven. I think when Moyes says he wants players that strengthen the first eleven what he really means i that he if he's going to spend big then they need to be as close to a sure thing as possible, because otherwise you end up selling your record signings for peanuts (£24.7m loss on Haller, £34.7m loss on Anderson).

    In the examples of all of Lingard, Tarkowski and Brereton-Diaz* they are free transfers, so the risk (in terms of up front payment at least) is mitigated.

    *I have seen people say that Blackburn have an option extend his contract by a year so maybe not
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I think all three of them improve us.
  • alderzalderz
    IronHerb said:

    I think all three of them improve us.

    As a squad they do, but not as a starting XI necessarily (though I think that by improving the competition in the squad you may push those currently unchallenged to produce better performances still so they are not dropped)
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    alderz said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    alderz said:

    Seen on Instagram that Ex has said we’re after Lingard, Tarkowski and Brereton-Diaz on free’s in the summer.

    Question is, do they strengthen the first eleven, which is Moyes' MO with transfers.
    I don't think this is strictly true.

    We've spent all season frustrated that Kral, Vlasic, Areola don't really get any game time, so clearly they don't improve the first eleven. I think when Moyes says he wants players that strengthen the first eleven what he really means i that he if he's going to spend big then they need to be as close to a sure thing as possible, because otherwise you end up selling your record signings for peanuts (£24.7m loss on Haller, £34.7m loss on Anderson).

    In the examples of all of Lingard, Tarkowski and Brereton-Diaz* they are free transfers, so the risk (in terms of up front payment at least) is mitigated.

    *I have seen people say that Blackburn have an option extend his contract by a year so maybe not
    What he said about January was:

    "I didn’t just want back-up, I wanted real competition. I could have easily gone out and bought back-up. Easily. I wanted people who were actually going to take other people’s jerseys and challenge them."

    I'd be surprised if he changed this view for summer windows. And nor should he. We should be targeting players that can genuinely challenge the first team picture. The issue seems to be being able to afford the ones that Moyes wants.
  • alderzalderz
    OldCastleSwift said:

    alderz said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    alderz said:

    Seen on Instagram that Ex has said we’re after Lingard, Tarkowski and Brereton-Diaz on free’s in the summer.

    Question is, do they strengthen the first eleven, which is Moyes' MO with transfers.
    I don't think this is strictly true.

    We've spent all season frustrated that Kral, Vlasic, Areola don't really get any game time, so clearly they don't improve the first eleven. I think when Moyes says he wants players that strengthen the first eleven what he really means i that he if he's going to spend big then they need to be as close to a sure thing as possible, because otherwise you end up selling your record signings for peanuts (£24.7m loss on Haller, £34.7m loss on Anderson).

    In the examples of all of Lingard, Tarkowski and Brereton-Diaz* they are free transfers, so the risk (in terms of up front payment at least) is mitigated.

    *I have seen people say that Blackburn have an option extend his contract by a year so maybe not
    What he said about January was:

    "I didn’t just want back-up, I wanted real competition. I could have easily gone out and bought back-up. Easily. I wanted people who were actually going to take other people’s jerseys and challenge them."

    I'd be surprised if he changed this view for summer windows. And nor should he. We should be targeting players that can genuinely challenge the first team picture. The issue seems to be being able to afford the ones that Moyes wants.
    "Challenge" the first team and "improve" the first team are being read differently, IMO. To me, he's saying "I don't want another George John or Wellington Paulista to come in and never play" but he's not saying "I don't want a Ben Brereton-Diaz because he's not going to be a nailed on starter immediately".
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited April 2022
    Equally, "take other people's jerseys" suggests he wants players ready to come in as first choice, and I don't think Brereton-Diaz is that player.

    That said, after Antonio's performance on Sunday, I think Cameron Diaz would be an improvement.

    I'm probably taking Moyes too literally. I just really hope he gets things right this summer.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Diaz would be a very good signing for me
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-west-ham-register-interest-in-signing-arsenal-star-eddie-nketiah-after-twist/

    The hitman has scored five goals in 50 Premier League appearances.

    Surely, that should be missman. =)
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    That's from 5 shots right?
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Its now 51 Premier League appearances (article dated 6 April) for a total of 1291 minutes (average 25 minutes per appearance). Just 11 starts and he has only lasted the whole 90 minutes twice.

    Not one start in the Prem this season and the longest he's been on the pitch was 28 mins against Brighton.

    He actually has played more in six cup games (397 mins) than he has in 13 Premier League matches (166 mins). Scored 5 this season, all in cup games but 4 were against League 1 sides

    While Nketiah could leave on a free Arsenal will get a sizeable slice of compensation as he's only 22 and came up from the academy

    If we sign him I won't be expecting too much in the first season
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    ASLEF, I really hope that is IF!
  • yoyoyoyo
    Not what you would call prolific but Moyes has been pretty spot on with most of his transfer signings
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Obviously not including Vlasic and Kral.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Hopefully Vlasic will come good next season otherwise we may have to sell him at a loss?
  • yoyoyoyo
    Most, not all. He seems to have a plan and so far I won't knock it.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Kral was a filler signing. Like when you buy two bottles of washing up in one shop. Could’ve waited another week, but it was easy to pick up both.

    Vlasic I think will come good. He’s barely had any run of games.
  • whupathmanwhupathman
    Nketiah doing well tonight, apparently we want to pick him up at the end of the season
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Sadly i suspect that Nketiah will still be a Gooner next season

    1) boyhood Arsenal fan
    2) Aubameyang gone
    3) Lacazette contract talks stalled and likely to leave on a free in the summer

    With those two gone he's going to get a lot more playing time next season, all they have to do is agree a salary.
  • alderzalderz
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Sadly i suspect that Nketiah will still be a Gooner next season

    1) boyhood Arsenal fan
    2) Aubameyang gone
    3) Lacazette contract talks stalled and likely to leave on a free in the summer

    With those two gone he's going to get a lot more playing time next season, all they have to do is agree a salary.

    Arsenal were after Vlahovic for £60m in January. There’s no way they let their main two strikers leave and don’t sign at least one starting striker in the summer. I think Nketiah will be second choice at absolute best
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    alderz said:

    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Sadly i suspect that Nketiah will still be a Gooner next season

    1) boyhood Arsenal fan
    2) Aubameyang gone
    3) Lacazette contract talks stalled and likely to leave on a free in the summer

    With those two gone he's going to get a lot more playing time next season, all they have to do is agree a salary.

    Arsenal were after Vlahovic for £60m in January. There’s no way they let their main two strikers leave and don’t sign at least one starting striker in the summer. I think Nketiah will be second choice at absolute best
    As he'd probably be at West Ham under Moyes, so I think he'd be more likely to stay there as second striker.
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    Ian Wright fancies him as an instinctive goal scorer and thats good enough for me. Yes, he'd initially be sub here but if he takes his sub chances he could stay in the side/share duties with Antonio and also allow Antonio to either have rest or move to a wing and rest people like Bowen...
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Why would he be second choice? Antonio has, in general, had a poor season and only starts regularly as he's our only striker.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    IronHerb said:

    Why would he be second choice? Antonio has, in general, had a poor season and only starts regularly as he's our only striker.

    Moyes' bar for a striker is incredibly high. If we believe what he's told us, we haven't bought one in three windows because no-one out there is an improvement on Antonio. Not sure why we'd think Nketiah is suddenly that player.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    I think Wright is quite close to Nketiah (and a lot of the young players there) and will always back him. Might not be the most objective assessment.

  • LukerzLukerz
    Not sure two poacher finishes after awful errors makes him Arsenal’s (or any clubs) new long-term number 9.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Lukerz said:

    Not sure two poacher finishes after awful errors makes him Arsenal’s (or any clubs) new long-term number 9.

    One of them followed about 3 lucky ricochets as well.
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