The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

Yeoldhammer

Yeoldhammer said:

Hopefully this is not setting up for an "excuse" later on down the line...

....we wanted to wait for the new manager...

.... the world cup meant our recruitment was severely impacted...

....the new transfer window deadline hindered landing targets....

SuzanneClaret

Rumours abound that *Dave Allen is all but a done deal.






*Manuel Pellegrini

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

The Irish comedian? ;whistle

SuzanneClaret

Yep.

Cuz1

Goodnight and may your god go with you lol

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I see ;lol

TheMadcapLaughs

As confused as most people. Think I may have been in the minority and actually welcomed Moyes`s appointment, I think he is a good manager and would turn us around. He is a good manager and has turned us around. I can also understand his conservative approach to games given that when he took us over we were in the bottom three and have dallied with relegation for most of the season. He has gone up, down,up,down and finally up in my estimations. But even though we finished on a high, three games unbeaten, and played some great football, I`m still not 100% convinced he is the right man for us. But as MIA and OCS have said above, it`s not our decision, it`s the Three Amigos decision, if he IS their man they should say so now, in fact they should have said so as soon as mathematically safe. Whoever is our manager next year they need a very decent budget, we need three or four first teamers and we need to keep our best. Good luck to who ever it is, with G,S and B in charge, they will need it. ;scarf

Oh, and thank God that seasons over. ;wahoo

Barney

When did Sulley tout Pellegrini or any other managers name? Is it not just press speculation?

thornburyiron

Several of the players have praised Moyes approach and given him credit for how they've improved the way they work and play and some, notably Noble, have said they'd like him to stay but they won't have any say in the matter.
I just hope the Daves are not going for a so called big name so they can say that's what the fans wanted. Unless they've already got someone lined up who has agreed to join then I fear it will be another long drawn out saga where we end up with someone who is the only person willing to take us on. We then end up with the last few days of the transfer window to sign players because nobody will want to join if they don't know who the manager is going yo be.
If Moyes has drawn up a list of positions we need strengthening and potential candidates, in all probability a new manager will throw that out of the window and start looking for his own potential recruits. However we could end up getting a manager who is happy to stick with whatever has already been lined up because there's then an automatic get out with the "they were not my choices" statements trotted out.
Some of the football I saw yesterday I thought was top draw for us and if that is an indication of what we can do when we're not in a desperate situation and with a few new players then I'd be inclined to stick with him for a year or two. Nobes himself said last week we need 3 or 4 new first team players and then we'd be a really strong team.

OldCastleSwift

Interesting. So the captain and player of the season have both publicly said they want Moyes to stay? ;hmm

Bit of pressure on the board to either comply or find someone better then.

For the reason Thorn states above, I'm actually leaning towards Moyes staying. I will be apoplectic if the board let him go and then spend weeks trying but ultimately failing to convince someone else to join.

This is such an important transfer window that we simply can't afford to jeopardise it by having neither a Director of Football, Head of Recruitment or manager in place for when it opens, IMO.

IronHerb

I've rarely, if ever, heard players openly say they don't want the manager that they work for.

OldCastleSwift

Well there is that, Herbie.

I just want a quick resolution to this, whichever direction we go in.

IronHerb

Me too. Transfer window opens Thursday.

BubblesNeverDies

Herb, they would just say nothing then, wouldn't they.

Moojor

BubblesNeverDies said:

Herb, they would just say nothing then, wouldn't they.

Did Noble just offer up his opinion or was he asked?

IronHerb

I guess all players either like or dislike their manager but only those who like their manager come out and say it.

BND - by your reckoning then we may have over 20 players who do not like Moyes?

Cuz1

Unless we have someone lined up then the board must surely know by now wether they want Moyes or not, so either say hello or wave goodbye it’s that simple for me tbh

BubblesNeverDies

Herb - by your reckoning the definition of a cat is: not a dog. (Courtesy of Baldrick ;wink)

OldCastleSwift

Cuz1 said:

Unless we have someone lined up then the board must surely know by now wether they want Moyes or not, so either say hello or wave goodbye it’s that simple for me tbh

Nice Soft Cell reference ;ok

alderz

I saw some really interesting data breakdowns of the season this morning from a twitter post.

First one shows the number of days spent in each position. We spent one day in the top half, all season.



Next is a squad age profile. It's sorted in oldest to youngers, and it shows the number of minutes played by age. What you see is that we had the 3rd oldest squad used, and that the distribution is fairly strongly weighted towards the upper 20s.



This shows shots taken vs shots faced. We are quite firmly in the 'quiet attack, busy defence' section.



Despite having a 'quiet attack', we are have an effective one. I love the term 'languidly clinical' and would definitely rather we were there than 'energetically wasteful'. This basically tells us that we don't shoot that much, but when we do we are likely to score.



On the negative side, we are extreme 'Pushovers' when it comes to defensive effectiveness. We concede a lot of shots, and it doesn't take many shots for the opposition to score.



Finally, the one I understand the least: expected goals. From what I gather, we are expected to concede a lot, and we are expected to score little.

ASLEFshrugged

I'm sure I've seen those "squad age profile" diagrams in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"

MarkNobleLocalHero

I have been a bit ;fence about this big decision but I now feel that it would be very risky not to go with Moyes in the absence of any star candidate lined up and I hope that isn't just the euphoria of survival and yesterday's great day speaking.
Moyes has;
Vastly improved the player's fitness levels.
He has got Arnie playing like the terminator, "I'll be back" ;clap (we could use an Arnie imogee btw).
He has largely got the defence sorted with the exception of the poor recent run. I believe he can get this fixed properly given the time and resources.
He has gotten Rice into the team as a regular (the coming Noble).
Oh, and he has ensured our continued premiere league presence ;bowdown

Give him another go. No more ;fence

Yeoldhammer

Graphs and pictures ;wahoo

MarkNobleLocalHero

One more thing, the owners won't be mucking him around. That might be why they won't go for him? I hope not.

IronHerb

I've seen two recent interviews with Moyes where he has been asked if he wants to stay and both times he failed to answer. ;hmm

SuzanneClaret

Leaving his options open should we not offer him a contract.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I think he has a lot of pride and doesn't want to commit to staying somewhere he isn't wanted. I don't blame him, as he has done as good a job as could be expected, IMO, and probably wants a show of faith.

I also think he wants to keep his cards close to his chest for the negotiating table. He is going to want to stay on his terms, which will include the resources to be pushing the top 7/8 as he's mentioned a few times already.

Lukerz

The problem is the board are doing what they do best. They don't make decisive, long term decisions. How on earth do you expect to operate a successful business on almost a 'year by year' approach.

It resonates throughout the entire club. No decisive decision on the stadium, equals a stadium with several problems not currently 100% right for football. No decisive decision on the way they want the club to play, equals an unbalanced squad and several managers, 3 in the last 3 years. No decision on the playing personnel, equals an ageing squad of players lacking in depth. No decision on the 'director of football/recruitment, equals a sporadic transfer policy and owners influencing who we sign. No decision on the training grounds, equals a training pitch not fit for use and several coincidental long term injuries. And now, with Moyes. Short term deal, no news since survival on his future, which probably means they are looking around for a better option and if they don't get one fixed by the end of the week, Moyes will be offered the gig and retained should he accept it.

They just do not make big long term decisions. They say things, every now and then, make noises, occasionally do some good (great transfer window in 2014/15 and 2016/17), and then the rest of their actions don't point to any long term ambition or infrastructure or process of getting to a certain point, playing a certain way, with a philosophy for how the club can grow. It's all year by year, game by game and all the big calls get avoided or half-heartedly made by Sully.

This is my opinion of course.

To be honest, I'm not a massive fan of Moyes. His FT appointment doesn't excite me. However, I think it is in our best interests, in terms of building something, if he stays. We had some good games under him, during a turbulent year, he did solve problems with personnel and formation, we played some good football at the back end of the year, he transformed Arnie and integrated Rice. And, most importantly, he has a good backroom team, knows the squad now, has been here 6 months and presumably knows what we need to get better and solve last years issues. Changing him now, with nobody lined up officially and nobody of any quality, would be another incredibly stupid decision to make giving the shortening of the window and the World Cup. As many have said, it doesn't matter if it is Moyes or somebody else, unless the problems off the pitch are sorted and money provided we will be having these same chats in a years time.

MrsGrey

Interesting stuff, alderz. Quite a few mythbusters in there (re other clubs/managers) ;ok

sweepy23

Suz, what I'm hearing is the opposite.

Either way, I hope we find out the truth (we seldom do).

If he's leaving on his own accord because of the way Sully runs the club then I hope we find out and it forces Sully's hand to hire a proper CEO or DoF.

I'll be really disappointed if three years into the new stadia, where supposedly the opportunities were endless, we haven't moved forward one bit. It's already opportunity missed, but please Sully show us we can still move forward.

Show us don't tell us.

I believe that this year we have another huge opportunity. None of the teams promoted last year have gone down. They normally struggle in the second season. That is 6 teams in the premiership that would have been there for 12 months or less and there are others (the likes of Bournemouth, Watford and Palace) which we should be doing better than. Please Sully don't mess this opportunity up... again.