The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

grey_til_I_dye

Not really sure of the value of using other fans' dissatisfaction as a criteria for making decisions about our club.

Fortuneseeker

I was waiting for that kind of response! We should be aiming higher and aspire to be competing with the likes of Everton and as you can see from the league, which is based on facts we aren't, so I see no reason why you can't use their expectations as a benchmark for ours. ;ok

Yeoldhammer

Still not the right manager for me.

baracks_a_hammer

ASLEFshrugged said:

Anyone who can turn Arnie from this season's Zaza into Hammer of the Year deserves at least another season

Don’t agree with that because it is not a person game. I don’t think he is the right person to take us forward.

MunichHammer

I have said so before, I think he should be given a new contract. He has been firefighting so far and it is always going to be a different approach if you are in that position. However, despite fighting relegation he has managed to bring in two youngsters (Rice/Fernandes) at least one of whom has been earning decent reviews.
The defeat at Arsenal was undeserved and with a little more luck we could be beyond the 40 point mark already.

The only thing that bothers me is the amount of big defeats. But I honestly believe that that will get better next season.

If he doesn't improve over the next season, fine, but he deserves a chance at the real thing.

Giant_Hammer

I seem to remember that Everton under Moyes were notoriously slow starters at the start of the season. After this season, if he stays, and if that happens to us in August, I can see the knives being out very early and that won't help anyone. ;hmm

imagelost

jay_in_cpt said:

IMO he has 2 " free hits" v Man U & Everton, let's see how those go...

He has done what was asked, stay up, but the jury is out for me.

It's over to you Mr Moyes, 2 wins in our last 2 games and think he will remain.

This be interesting
2 of Moyes previous clubs.

I would like him to stay, is he getting a fair say in players to buy?
If not ,,,,, it does not matter Whois runthe1st team

grey_til_I_dye

Fortune

But I don't care what Everton fans do or don't expect. If you do, that's your choice.

baracks_a_hammer

In Moyes defence he has kept faith with Declan after a difficult few games. Brave thing to do when facing mahrez and Vardy. We don’t know of course if he would have done this had ginge been available but nonetheless it would have done Declan’s confidence the world of good knowing his manager had full trust in him

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I have no idea whether I still want Moyes to carry on next season. There are pros and cons for me:

Positives

Kept us up (with two games to spare)
Giving Declan lots of games, even after mistakes
Getting the best out of Arnie
Harder to beat (overall, though when we get beat, man do we get beat)
He is always looking up the table rather than down
No nonsense with players/egos
Continuity is usually healthy for a club, particularly with the unrest at the moment
Not sure who else the club can attract/the owners would fancy who would do a better job
At our best, I like the way we've played with Arnie, Lanzini, Masuaku on the ball, more so than any time under Bilic post-Payet


Negatives

When we get beat, we tend to get pummelled
Low win percentage
Not the best transfer window (Mario's been okay, Hugill was pointless)
Substitutions always seem odd/late
Lack of game time for Hernandez

;hmm

PrestonHammer

Hugill was a pointless signing. The thing is, nobody is going to pay us the same money we signed him for. A striker who doesn't play, never mind one who doesn't score.

Fortuneseeker

grey_til_I_dye said:

Fortune

But I don't care what Everton fans do or don't expect. If you do, that's your choice.

Apologies I was just using them as an example as in, if they are Eighth and are looking for a change.

grey_til_I_dye

Fortunes

Nothing to apologise for. You have a different view to me, that's all.

Barney

The big question for me is whether, realistically, there is another proven manager who is available and willing to come to us. Benitez would be a better option than Moyes IMO but happy with Moyes rather than taking a significant risk with someone who has not managed in the PL. I do hope the owners really invest in the summer or we will be going nowhere regardless of who the manager is.

MrsGrey

Random stat. 'The Hammers have scored in their past 11 away league games - their longest scoring run in the top flight since December 1966 (14 games).'

puddleglumhammers

Barney is right. Who else is there waiting in the wings ? 4 years ago we knew Bilic was a possibility, and even Benitez at one moment. Now there is nobody obvious or even obscure who might be interested, other than an overseas manager we have never heard off. Keep Moyes - if it ain't broke don't fix it.

EXETERHAMMER

Amazing stats above from Alderz.
They back up my view that Bilic should have stayed.

I still miss Slav.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Last time we tried to get a manager in the summer we ended up with our fourth choice which means we might not be that attractive proposition to decent managers

SuzanneClaret

If the owners want Moyes then they need to sign him now, this week so that he can get is list of who goes, who stays and who he wants in.

I don’t want him personally but the board needs to be decisive.


Oh and I’ve changed my mind and done a total 180, I’d like Raffa Benitez. I’m sure he’s well chuffed at the thought of my endorsement.

AdMeus_CaputFilius

On that point Suze, I think the worst situation would be that the board don't appoint him and then waste time before appointing a replacement. Whoever is in charge need to have a good look at the team to decide who they want to keep, who goes and who they want to bring in.

If they leave it too long we will be struggling to get anyone again and Sully will have his mitts all over the transfers. I have visions of several players from the teams being relegated coming to us (and not the better ones).

OldCastleSwift

Suze, Adme,

Don't want to alarm you, but according to C&H (I know, I know...) a decision won't be made until June.

It will be at that meeting in June when a decision will be made on the the manager’s future and it is certainly no ‘given’ that – despite securing the team’s Premier League survival – he will get the ‘gig.’

claretandhugh.info/

If (and given the source, it's a big 'if'), that's true, I'd be very unimpressed.

MrsGrey

Maybe they want to see if they can get anyone better lined up first.

IronHerb

His contract probably expires on 30th June which is the norm for footy contracts I think.

OldCastleSwift

Possibly, Mrs G. But what will that say about their opinion of Moyes? If they want him, give him a deal now. If they don't, get rid and offer their man whatever he wants.

I'm pretty sure they'd have been sounding out managers since January, so should have an idea by now as to who might be available.

Delaying this, and by extension our transfer dealings, could end up hurting us a lot.

OldCastleSwift

Herbie, I expect it does. But it doesn't mean the board can't discuss/decide his future before then.

baracks_a_hammer

A lot of this will depend on how much new money the board are willIng to set aside for square improvement. Surely they would have pretty much decided what this is by now?

alderz

IMO this is why a DOF was a key appointment that should have been made already. There is a big question mark over the managers future, which will affect transfer dealings. We need to have a vision for the future of the side in terms of playing style and personnel, so that we don't have to get the manager sorted to shape that. With an effect DOF we could be already making moves in the market.

Yeoldhammer

Hopefully this is not setting up for an "excuse" later on down the line...

whupathman

But we can make another profit this way,doh

Cuz1

It’s there uncertainty that does me surely they know if they want Moyes or not by now