IMO this is why a DOF was a key appointment that should have been made already. There is a big question mark over the managers future, which will affect transfer dealings. We need to have a vision for the future of the side in terms of playing style and personnel, so that we don't have to get the manager sorted to shape that. With an effect DOF we could be already making moves in the market.
Sorry but I have to disagree. If Moyes isn't going to be our manager next season then we need to get the new manager sorted out before we start any transfer dealings. Any manager worth the name is not going to want to arrive here in the summer without having a major say in who we bring in.
We also have to consider that it may be possible that Moyes does not want to stay with us and/or the daves. In spite of mixed performances he can at least say he avoided relegation. He may think he can get a better gig and that a new club can get themselves a good manager by appointing him
IMO this is why a DOF was a key appointment that should have been made already. There is a big question mark over the managers future, which will affect transfer dealings. We need to have a vision for the future of the side in terms of playing style and personnel, so that we don't have to get the manager sorted to shape that. With an effect DOF we could be already making moves in the market.
Sorry but I have to disagree. If Moyes isn't going to be our manager next season then we need to get the new manager sorted out before we start any transfer dealings. Any manager worth the name is not going to want to arrive here in the summer without having a major say in who we bring in.
When you look at the successful years of Southampton and Swansea, both clubs had a blueprint of the style of play and the style of player that they wanted to bring in. Southampton particularly have been consistent in their approach of youth development and bringing in players to fit a certain mould with Les Reid heading things up.
They had no problem recruiting the likes of Pochettino and Koeman, and although it has obviously gone off the rails a bit in the last year, that was a very good model to aspire towards, imo.
Given the short termism of most football clubs these days, my personal feeling is that we should be looking to appoint head coaches, who have some say, but not final say, over recruitment. There is no point in us investing all our money in Moyes style of play if we are going to sack him in a year and bring in a manager who plays a different way.
They last report I saw said they will wait 10 days before meeting and making a decision so basically 1 week after the season finishes . The last thing we need is the manager situation to be drifting on all through the summer before rushing out and buying some last ditch bargain bin buys in August
The way I’ve been looking at it would I be disappointed if he stayed or left the club and my honest answer is no either way so let’s sort it quickly and move forward
I wouldn't trust C&H any more than I trust a politician. I remember them spreading tales about Europa League qualification that was so clearly wrong to anybody who read the regulations.
Anyway, I am pretty sure they will have talked about the future and both parties will have a pretty good idea of what the other side thinks. So what if they take a few days before getting into contract talks? After all, Moyes will have two more games before the season ends and although we are safe that doesn't mean that he can just stop working once it is certain we stay in the league.
Keep reading reports Moyes isn’t deffo a done deal, and now he’s allegedly saying another premier league club wanted him during his time with us, take it that was either Everton Stoke Swansea or West Brom would he have saved them ?
I know Jorderz, but not without compensation being paid to his current club. Which in this instance assumes West Ham were prepared to agree to let him go. Which I doubt would have happened given our own precarious position.
So either he was prepared to buy himself out of his contract with West Ham, or there's a bit of a game being played here.
He’s making himself more attractive by making out he’s in demand. At the end of the day the owners clearly aren’t sold on him, or he isn’t keen on us, or both. If either party was, he’d be signed up already.
Although, Izzy did suggest this was a 2.5 year contract, but publicised as a 6 month deal, as it had a break clause should we get relegated. ;hmm
I think Moyes would be an idiot to reject this job. He won’t get any better for a long time. You could argue he was fortunate to get it in the first place.
I just think Moyes is playing the game more than Big Sam did. The club has always left it late to renew a contract. Big Sam I believe had a better relationship with the owners and even though in the press it wasn't sure if his contract would be renewed, from what I remember he hardly commented, but yet did get the extension.
Moyes is obviously worried and from that it sounds as if the board have had less conversations with him than they may have had with Big Sam. Or Big Sam just had more faith.
Personally from what we've seen in the past, Moyes' contract will be renewed a week after the season has finished.
Moyes will stay where else is he going to go .two Daves will stick with him .really not sure if its a good fit or not ,never wanted him but at lest he knows the players now and hopefully who to keep and who to get rid of ,
I think WHU need to appoint Moyes and his team. If they don't there will be a big hole to fill. They will need to find another manager who will know little about the current players (who will all disappear to hols next week) or the squad and then needs to strengthen the team without knowing the team. It will be disastrous. I am sure the board is consulting wiser heads like Sir Trevor and will end up appointing Moyes. It is hard to attract any proven manager. I think that despite endless list of injuries and a threadbare squad with some big egos (Sakho, Carroll, Ayew) he did well under the circumstances and accomplished the mission of keeping us in EPL. Of course, Moyes could move on and his stint at WHU would not have done his job prospects any harm as he could claim to have exorcised the ghost of Sunderland relegation. I would personally reappoint Moyes and then see how it all goes for the first 10 games of the next season.
I would personally reappoint Moyes and then see how it all goes for the first 10 games of the next season.
And if we don't get off to a good start, sack him... and be faced with all the same difficulties that you outline as being reasons to keep him. With the added problem that the transfer window will be closed.
imo, if the board are sure they want him, then they have to be sure they want him even if we hit a sticky patch. and trust him to get us out of it.
Didn’t he also say he wanted to be with a club pushing for top 6/8.
That my preclude us
Again, I think that's mind games on Moyes' part; a thinly-veiled prod that if Sully wants him, he'll have to match his Top 8 ambitions financially.
Not that thinly-veiled:
For most of my seasons, apart from one last year, I’ve been competing at the top six or eight. I need to see if West Ham are going to get there. I want to be a manager pushing the top six or eight. You need the tools for that. “There’s a lot to be done on the pitch and a lot to be done off the pitch as well,” he added. “There are a lot of things we could address, like around the training ground. My experience has allowed me to see what good really looks like off the pitch, whether it be facilities, a board of directors, the people who work round football clubs, the roles people should have.”
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Hopefully C&H is wrong. Certainly wouldn't be the first time.
Equally, my opinion of Sullivan is such that it wouldn't surprise me if it was true ;weep
They had no problem recruiting the likes of Pochettino and Koeman, and although it has obviously gone off the rails a bit in the last year, that was a very good model to aspire towards, imo.
Given the short termism of most football clubs these days, my personal feeling is that we should be looking to appoint head coaches, who have some say, but not final say, over recruitment. There is no point in us investing all our money in Moyes style of play if we are going to sack him in a year and bring in a manager who plays a different way.
Anyway, I am pretty sure they will have talked about the future and both parties will have a pretty good idea of what the other side thinks. So what if they take a few days before getting into contract talks? After all, Moyes will have two more games before the season ends and although we are safe that doesn't mean that he can just stop working once it is certain we stay in the league.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44058030
He says has options elsewhere for next season, too. I wonder if he is calling Sully's bluff ;hmm
So either he was prepared to buy himself out of his contract with West Ham, or there's a bit of a game being played here.
IMO, of course.
Although, Izzy did suggest this was a 2.5 year contract, but publicised as a 6 month deal, as it had a break clause should we get relegated. ;hmm
I think Moyes would be an idiot to reject this job. He won’t get any better for a long time. You could argue he was fortunate to get it in the first place.
Moyes is obviously worried and from that it sounds as if the board have had less conversations with him than they may have had with Big Sam. Or Big Sam just had more faith.
Personally from what we've seen in the past, Moyes' contract will be renewed a week after the season has finished.
That my preclude us
"Hi Bournemouth, Eddie Howe ? here's a few million."
imo, if the board are sure they want him, then they have to be sure they want him even if we hit a sticky patch. and trust him to get us out of it.
Either commit to Moyes or go for someone else, no mid point sacking or end.of window hiring
For most of my seasons, apart from one last year, I’ve been competing at the top six or eight. I need to see if West Ham are going to get there. I want to be a manager pushing the top six or eight. You need the tools for that.
“There’s a lot to be done on the pitch and a lot to be done off the pitch as well,” he added.
“There are a lot of things we could address, like around the training ground. My experience has allowed me to see what good really looks like off the pitch, whether it be facilities, a board of directors, the people who work round football clubs, the roles people should have.”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/09/david-moyes-west-ham-ambition-contract