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  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    Maybe I should have said “ why is it that our defensive record is so poor?”

    The answer may well end up being the same, but IMO, defensive duties are not the sole responsibility of the back four and surely defensive coordinators should be working with the team as a whole.

    Ergo, why is it when we have very experienced, defensive coordinators is our defensive record so poor.

    It baffles me


  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    I understand that the signing of a defense minded midfielder has often been mooted, so if it is such an obvious requirement, i fail to understand why it has not happened.

    That being said, I do not think that such a signing in and of itself would be the magic button solution, we do not have poor players, my conclusion is that our coaching staff do not seem to be able to get the best out of whom we have.

    And that, IMO, is the root of the problem.
  • Colchester_IronColchester_Iron
    It is the perennial problem....

    Who would want to manage 'little ol' West Ham?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Aside from his somewhat questionable record at West Ham there’s another thing.

    He is seemingly at odds with two of our most experienced and highly paid forwards. And another, in Hugill, can’t be too enamoured either, and he was signed by Moyes. Has he even got the squad pulling towards a common purpose? ;hmm
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Hugill was signed by DS imo as relegation cover.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    You could be right IH but the problem is I guess we don’t know
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    How can anyone judge hugill on his minutes so far is beyond me 12 minutes and written off makes me realise I know nothing about football
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But Moyes has seen him for 4 months and given him 12 minutes!
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Cuz

    Tbf I don’t think anyone is writing him off. It is probably more a case of bewilderment as to how a player signed from the championship cannot get much game time for a side which is playing championship standard football.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Lukerz said hugill- enough said, pretty much written off in my language tbh
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    He will not be here if we are still in the Prem come the end of the Summer window.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Cuz1 said:

    Lukerz said hugill- enough said, pretty much written off in my language tbh

    Only have to look at his pitch time since he arrived to know he’s been written off by Moyes, and that’s the important thing.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Or maybe he wasn’t a Moyes signing or he’s brought him for next season but at price paid good to know you have given him a chance
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    And if Moyes really as written him off already he shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near our transfer budget or our club imo
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I thought Hugill was Moyes's suggestion when the deal for Slimani fell through. I somehow doubt DS would have recommended Hugill, he's not on FIFA14 so Jack wouldn't know about him.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2018
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    worse than grant and macari in terms of win percentages. And presiding over a defence that is all over the place.

    The % is calculated over such a small number of games that a couple of wins can add nearly 10% to the figure. So % should be taken under advisement at this stage, imo

    But if we are doing % as a measure of manager's success, I'm more interested in home record than all games, and also in loss % overall. I want these figures to be high, and low, respectively.

    A quick look at results since Moyes was appointed shows 11 losses out of 24... just over 44%. I don't know how that compares to previous managers. If I get time later, I'll look.

    For us, I think we should be focus on doing as well as possible at home and on losing as few as possible overall. (PL stats only, not Cups, as that's a whole different ball game.)

  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Its hard to compare Moyes with other West Ham managers apart from Curbishley, the only other manager who took over mid-season in the top flight while we were nudging relegation

    Pardew and Bonds took over mid-season in the second tier while the rest took over during the summer break (or in Zola's case so soon after the beginning of the season that it hardly matters).

    Curbs' league record in that first season was P21 W8 D3 L10 GF 25 GA 36 PTs 27
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Moyes played what was possibly the slowest defence in the league against Citeh!

    His decistion to play the octogenarian Pat Evra, not a lack of defenders.

    I dont want him to stay.

    I dont have any idea who to replace him with though.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Exactly Suze

    He's got it wrong tactically quite a few times

    But again who else is available, every manager we could bring an element of risk

    But I would rather it not be moyes
  • whupathmanwhupathman
    The season we went down under rodent he fell out with di canio and we went down. Moyes has fallen out with Carroll and it looks like he is out Saturday. Ok the manager is boss so fine him, three games left and the next one winnable so leave a huge asset at home for an example hurts the club and the clubs future. If moyes wants to set an example sell him in the summer. Do not hurt the clubs chances by not having that option, it makes Leicester’s job easier knowing not to have to plan for Carroll in the squad.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Yes Moyes his the boss but least Carroll wanted to play and hurt he wasn’t used as a sub so although wrong for storming off I get his frustration, he bent over backwards to get hart in the team for his England ambitions so maybe ac felt the same, fine him move on because we may need the big man in the last few games
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Good move by Moyes, keeps Carroll injury free. Its a risk but if it pays off we can flog Carroll in the Summer.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    That's if AC wants to go.
    Also why would you sacrifice Prem status for a £10m transfer fee? I'm not saying AC is the answer this season but he certainly is an option and all options should be on the table at this stage.
  • alderzalderz
    MrsGrey said:

    baracks_a_hammer said:

    worse than grant and macari in terms of win percentages. And presiding over a defence that is all over the place.

    The % is calculated over such a small number of games that a couple of wins can add nearly 10% to the figure. So % should be taken under advisement at this stage, imo

    But if we are doing % as a measure of manager's success, I'm more interested in home record than all games, and also in loss % overall. I want these figures to be high, and low, respectively.

    A quick look at results since Moyes was appointed shows 11 losses out of 24... just over 44%. I don't know how that compares to previous managers. If I get time later, I'll look.

    For us, I think we should be focus on doing as well as possible at home and on losing as few as possible overall. (PL stats only, not Cups, as that's a whole different ball game.)

    I have the raw data to do this in my spreadsheet ;ok
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2018
    ;bowdown

    I'd love to see it, but only if you have time.

    (I don't expect others to do my research for me ;hug )
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    As if Alderz wouldn't find the time for stats ;biggrin
  • alderzalderz
    Ok, so it only goes back to the start of the 1994/95 season, but that gives us our last 9 permanent managers. I've done it in a few different ways, but I think the best way to answer the question is about home games in the premier league only. So I've completely excluded cup games, away games, championship/division one games, and games taken by a caretaker manager.

    So this first chart is just the overall home win % in the premier league. Over the 397 home premier league games we played in that period we won 174 (43.8%). Moyes is much below anyone (other than Avram) with 30.8%.

    stats

    This second chart shows the wins, draws and losses for each manager to give a sense of perspective around the numbers. Moyes has had 13 home matches so far, while Harry Redknapp had 135.

    stats 2
  • alderzalderz
    I hadn't noticed the overall loss part you mentioned so here's that too.

    Only two managers have a better loss % than Moyes (41.7% losses) in the PL - Harry (38.7%) and Slav (35.6%).

    stats 3
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2018
    Wow. Thanks alderz.

    That's really useful to inform the discussion (imo) ;thumbsup

    With the caveat that Moyes has had a relatively few games in charge, so the stas are based on quite a small sample, it looks like we are hard to beat... although it may be that further analysis of losing scorelines show that when we are beaten, we are thoroughly beaten. ;weep
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Why did we sack Bilic again.... ;hmm
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