The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

Cuz1

I don’t believe they want Moyes enough or wouldn’t be looking elsewhere and if that’s the case why hasn’t Moyes said I’m off, maybe they both want to see what’s out there before committing ie Newcastle or Leicester could become available to Moyes and maybe he’d be interested in a project like that although I’d be wary of any team with proposed take over talks as they always seem to want to bring there own man in as Ashley did when sam was there even though he admitted last year it was a mistake

Cuz1

And having listened to gold on sky sports interview my interpretation is it’s Moyes who doesn’t want to commit and maybe looking at what’s out there for him making us do the same incase

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Good old Dave - Razzle Dazzle em ;lol

So our co-owner admits that we’re actively interviewing candidates.....right on cue!

chicagohammer

Is there any reason why Dm would not be interested in someone else, say.......Everton

Just a thought

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

How will the other candidates feel now that Gold has said that?

And this did make me laugh.....

David Gold telling sky sports news he hopes Moyes stays

Meanwhile the club is running unofficial polls on potential managers to gauge fans feelings, Moyes contract has expired, Brady is slagging off fans & Sullivan is interviewing other managers round his gaff.

West Ham United.

claretandbluesky

I think it's diplomatically delicate but understandable that likely neither party is looking at the other and thinking they have exactly what they want, and so it's quite acceptable for the club to make enquiries about other availability, just as if Moyes was being courted by other clubs we couldn't be offended if as a free agent he decided he wanted to speak to them first and get back to us.

I say it's delicate because in an ideal world we would like to convey our full confidence, as I am sure would he but the reality ( in my view) is that neither is convinced of the other fully enough to sincerely express that. So we end up with a bit of awkwardness whilst both sides weigh up options.

My hope is that both sides deal with this period professionally and just as importantly convey the same professionalism in any press statements. I have no doubt Moyes will, not quite so sure about us, but fingers crossed.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

baracks_a_hammer said:

The good thing about all of this so far is that our owners have said absolutely nothing. After Sam they were saying things like appointing someone who had been there and done it in the major leagues (or something to that effect) and then failed to land their targets.

I’d be quite happy for them to continue to say nothing at all until a decision and appointment has been made

Barracks hate to be the one to tell you, but you may of spoken too soon ;biggrin

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Got to be honest Claret I’ve not seen anything like it before, not saying it hasn’t but I don’t recall a situation where

1) manager openly confessed his official
Contact has ended
2) he’s still waiting to speak to the owners
3) owners haven’t told him they don’t want him or do want him ( as far we know)
4) other candidates are being interviewed
5) one owner declares publicly that he wants said man at end of his contract to stay

;hmm

#Circus

Cuz1

chicagohammer said:

Is there any reason why Dm would not be interested in someone else, say.......Everton

Just a thought

Chicago, can see why he might be interested in Everton but if the rumours are right and kenwright goes as well as sam then I can’t see Everton being interested in Moyes again imo

chicagohammer

Cuz, I agree that I doubt if Everton would be seriously interested in DM, however, I do not doubt for an instant that DM would be interested in Everton.

OldCastleSwift

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

How will the other candidates feel now that Gold has said that?

This is my frustration too. Gold wants Moyes (this is at least the second time he's publicly stated it), but Sullivan is playing the field. I don't know whether Fonseca, Benitez, Pellegrini et al would be bothered about that, given Gold is the junior partner, but it really doesn't help us in the professional stakes.

I would expect someone in Gold's position to field the questions with more professionalism and say we're going through an invterview process and will hire the man we think is best for West Ham United, and he nearly managed it, before unnecessarily throwing in the 'I hope it's David Moyes' bit right at then end.

Lukerz

Exactly.

So a company is hiring to fill a vacant position and, whilst going through the process, a key figure at the top, probably involved in the final decision, publicly states his preference to who he wants to get it, when there are more interviews to come.

SuzanneClaret

It’s happening at Everton to a certain degree.

Pearces_Left_Foot

We are in position to get the best manager we can so why not interview the best available candidates and make a decision. They are doing it early (spoken to Moyes and Foncesca already) and then see where you are in a weeks time and go for who the board thinks best. My only criteria would be to get it sorted as quickly as possible

IronHerb

I doubt DG will have much say in the decision.

Yeoldhammer

Buying time so they have an excuse later on to say to why X Y Z transfer was not done.

OldCastleSwift

IronHerb said:

I doubt DG will have much say in the decision.

I don't know. He's Joint Chairman so I'd assume he has quite a bit if sway (unless it's purely joint chairman in name only).

But either way, saying what he said doesn't help the situation at all, IMO.

MrsGrey

In other words, they are actively trying to do a bad job?

I don't believe that for one second.

Ineptitude, ego, poor judgement.. all these I can see.

But deliberately dragging their heels on appointing a manager and risking not getting the one they want just so they can have an excuse for failures in the transfer window? That's a conspiracy too far for me.

grey_til_I_dye

Whilst I would have preferred the club to simply roll over Moyes' contract, on reflection, what they are doing makes sense.

His fixed term appointment was effectively an emergency measure, so the normal round of interviews/ideas for taking the club forward etc, which you would expect for a permanent managerial appointment, almost certainly didn't take place.

Whilst I would be happy with Moyes, clearly others wouldn't, so it seems to me exactly right that the club would look at a range of options before committing themselves.

Most managerial appointments are made after a number of candidates are considered. Any manager who only wants to be first choice is free to remove himself from the process.

To react as though this is something unparalleled in the history of football appointments seems to me to be an overreaction.

MrsGrey

The 'interview' is a two-way process:

the club wants to know what the manager will bring to the table, how he will achieve target, what he sees as priorities, what budget he would want,, what length of contract would he want, what break clauses or release clauses he wants etc

the candidate wants to know what targets he would be set, how much he'd be given to work with, what bonuses and penalties will be in the contract, scope for bringing in his own support staff/medics/scouts, is he answerable to the chairman/board or a DOF and so on.

The club weighs it all up and makes their choice, while the candidates can decide at any point that it's not for them and withdraw his candidacy, no hard feelings.

The more thorough this process, the fewer problems in the future.

Given that many fans have criticised the club/board for a less than professional approach to running the club, I'd have thought some might see this process as a good thing.

Shows what I know.

Barney

Seems like they are going through a robust process and considering their options. I am just getting prepared for the outcrys on here when the announcement is made.
Whoever they choose, including Moyes, Ihope the majority can repect the decision and get behind the manager from day 1.

Moojor

MrsGrey,

Totally agree about the process being a good thing but once again the club are shooting themselves in the foot by stupid comments to the media.

The only comment about our future manager should be "We are currently in the process of looking to appoint a full time manager and hope to have someone in place asap."

There should be no comments at all from the club about who is their preferred manager is.

Yeoldhammer

We know how its going to go...

May
> We couldn't do any transfer dealings in May as we wanted to appoint a manager and know the players that the manager wanted in

June
>Due to the world cup we were unable to conduct any transfer business however we have identified a range of targets and options

July
>The manager is enjoying pre-season and has stated we do not need to sign any new players. There is money available to the manager. Andy Carroll is fit again and will be like a new signing.

August P1
>We tried hard to secure our targets however the end of the transfer window is a hard time to get deals completed and done by, we believe the squad is strong enough for a top half finish.

August P2
>With the injury to Andy Carroll we have decided to loan veteran striker Kevin Phillips on a 6 months contract.

OldCastleSwift

Big Sam's now available...

BubblesNeverDies

Grey/MrsGrey, thank you both for a sane, sensible explanation of the process. ;clap ;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

IronHerb said:

I doubt DG will have much say in the decision.

I’d say owning at least 25% of the club and also around half the debt he will have quite a bit to say in the decision......

Just not sure who he really does want, because he’s been saying conflicting things....

On top of what he said yesterday, the other week he told Baz cox (well known fan raising money for Isla) after the Leicester game when asked “surely you don’t want this grief and abuse week in week out”

Gold replied “he’s (Moyes) not what we want”

grey_til_I_dye

People can argue as to whether Gold's stated preference for Moyes was a gaff or not (although without knowing the full background we can't really be sure), but at least he has clarified the situation.

Most newspapers had it as 'West Ham looking to replace Moyes' when, in fact, it is 'West Ham looking to appoint manager', with Moyes being one of those under consideration.'

steve

Big Sam will take his 6m lay on the beach and wait for our call around the first week of october

OldCastleSwift

steve said:

Big Sam will take his 6m lay on the beach and wait for our call around the first week of october

'Hello Sam. It's Dave...'

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Moyes gone

On O/S