The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

MrsGrey

http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/march/22-march/moyes-use-international-break-european-scouting-trip

Moyes involved in planning for pre-season training camps.

Yeoldhammer

Not sure another European club will take a punt on him ;lol

ClaretandBlueforLife

Let’s just hope Pardew isn’t available should Moyes leave us at the end of the season ;nonono

grey_til_I_dye

He was available before we appointed Moyes, and it was suggested that he had made overtures to the club.

Can't see any reason why we would consider him.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

I bloomin hope not, awful manager, his record the last two appointments has been a disaster......

ClaretandBlueforLife

grey_til_I_dye said:

He was available before we appointed Moyes, and it was suggested that he had made overtures to the club.

Can't see any reason why we would consider him.

Perhaps not at that time as we were interested in Moyes, however the situation could be different with perhaps Mark Hughes being available should as looks likely Southampton are relegated. Neither Pardew or Hughes would be a good choice as our manager and to be honest Gold,Sullivan & Brady don’t have a great record of choosing managers do they?

MrsGrey

Depends on your point of view.

Personally, I hope Moyes stays.

Which by implication means I think he was a good appointment.

ASLEFshrugged

I think we all know that deep down S&G won't be truly happy with a manager until they have Benitez

Rafa. Sigh ❤️❤️❤️

alderz

Personally, I think the only bad appointment they made was Avram Grant. Allardyce did a very good job with us and left at the right time. Slaven did a good job with us and left probably a few months too late. If Moyes keeps us up (I think he will) then he will have proven to be a success for this season.

I wouldn't mind us changing manager in the summer, but I actually think the most important appointment is a direct of football. We need someone to oversee the recruitment strategy, and to give us an identity that would survive managerial change.

Hammerex

When Moyes replaced Bilic, we were in grave danger of being relegated.
I think Moyes has done an excellent job getting us into a strong position
of avoiding relegation. Assuming we do survive relegation, surely he would
deserve a full season year, before we start thinking about another manager.

Cuz1

I didn’t want him to be honest but I’d give him two years at least only criticism and not all his fault is consistency cus when we good were good and when were not we really are dire I can accept a bad performance but not through lack of effort or fitness

Yeoldhammer

Still do not think Moyes is the right man to stabilise West Ham long term.
If he keeps us up, then he has done the job we hired him to do. But he is not the man to take us forward in my opinion or to keep us rooted in mid table. I can see him battling relegation with us next season if we stay up and if he is still our manager.

alderz

I think that most managers will struggle with us next year unless we have a good summer. The advantage of keeping Moyes is that he knows the squad and the system he wants to play and where we are lacking. So the planning for the summer can happen early (now?). A new manager might want to play a back 4 which would mean a change in recruitment policy.

That's why I say the DOF is most important. Managers should come in and buy into what we are building as a club, rather than the club changing to suit a manager everytime they walk through the door.

Pearces_Left_Foot

I would keep Moyes I think we are moving in the right direction and with a reasonable summer window think we would improve. I also like the backroom team of Pearce gives us experience and Irvine is a highly rated coach . I think after the Burnley game he has managed to get the team to turn in one of our best performances of the season under a lot of pressure.

MrsGrey

I like that he has 'played players out of position' ... but in the good way!

(Thinking Arnie + Cresswell, possibly Arthur.)

Fortuneseeker

My concern with Mr Moyes is will he go back to Old Trafford in the summer and buy someone who Jose doesn't want like Smalling for alot of money and who isn't that good IMHO. I base that on what he did at Sunderland bringing in quite a few Everton cast offs! Especially as he is supposed to be having a major say in who we sign moving forward, which I hope we will.

ASLEFshrugged

Moyes bought two players from Everton to Sunderland, Oviedo and Gibson, plus two from Manchester United, McNair and Love, the four of them cost about £10m combined,

His biggest transfers that season were Ndong from LOrient (£18m) and Djilobodji from Chelsea (£8m).

At Man U he only bought Fellini (Everton) for £30m and Mata (Chelsea) for £37m

ASLEFshrugged

Whoops, forgot Pienaar and Lescott signed on frees

baracks_a_hammer

I’m erring on making the change in the summer.

Moyes May do the job asked of him, but do we truly know the definition of success when he joined? Because if it was to keep us up and say we end up with 39-40 points it hardly qualifies as a resounding success.

All the usual suspects who hog all the jobs - Pards, Hodgson, allardyce, pulis Moyes need to make way to freshen things up.

If we are truly intent on completely rewriting our recruitment methods this should apply at managerial level not just players. I just don’t think moyes will help us kick on and I further think we will continue to look over our shoulders and hope we are clear enough of the drop zone.

grey_til_I_dye

Well, unless Moyes' success at Everton was the longest fluke in football history, I'd say he has demonstrated that he has the know-how and experience to take us to our realistic next level, which is to say 10th+.

I'm totally against the idea of chopping and changing managers; people knock the fact that the likes of Moyes and Allardyce keep getting jobs, but say nothing when the Ancelottis and Guardiolas of this world waltz into top jobs.

If the top clubs don't feel a need to take a chance on unproven managers, I'm not sure why we should be expected to.

Leave Moyes to get on with it for 3 years, says I.

thornburyiron

When the players admit they were unfit and broadly lazy and Moyes changed all that it suggests to me that he knows what he’s doing. I’d stick with him.

Fortuneseeker

ASLEF,

I rest my case. ;whistle ;biggrin ;wink

Fortuneseeker

Will Moyes have a say in who becomes DOF & if so the Davids might have a number 1 candidate who he can't work with?

baracks_a_hammer

Thorn

Mixed amongst that we have also been thrashed/humiliated on a few occasions too. The picture re: Moyes is not really conclusive either way IMO

Vorselaarhammer

If we stay up then we should give Moyes a full season at least, pre season is such a massive thing for a manager.

He plays decent football, knows how to build a squad and it mature enough to deal and understands the David’s....

I like Howe but we outplayed Bournemouth with Moyes in charge.

Vorselaarhammer

i think Sunderland is a basket case I assume he want to buy quality but due to whatever is going on behind the scenes he ended up with just some bodies that he trusted.

On Pardew the day he was announced I think I wrote on this forum that WBA we’re doomed, sacking Pulis and replacing him with Pardew was a terrible decision...

ClaretandBlueforLife

MrsGrey said:

Depends on your point of view.

Personally, I hope Moyes stays.

Which by implication means I think he was a good appointment.

I hope Moyes stays to, there’s not much managerial talent around in English Football

Fortuneseeker

C&BfL,

There might be a manager outside England that could do the job.

That's not to say I am particularly against Moyes staying on. ;ok

ClaretandBlueforLife

Fortune ;ok
Moyes has been a good appointment so far, Billic was a poor appointment, who I doubted for the start, although I was happy to be proved wrong in his first season, there after it was normal service as far as he goes as a manager. Allardyce did a good job for us, but I think most were relieved when he left.....as for Avram......total disaster.

baracks_a_hammer

I’m struggling to see the case right now to keep Moyes for x amount of time. I mean the season is far from done and we are not safe. 37 points (say) and scraping safety is by no means a ringing endorsement. I agree by the same token it may conversely be too early to want him replaced also. But by virtue of the fact that even our owners did not want to commit to him as a longer term option the whole situation can only really be assessed at the end of the season.