The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

chicagohammer

I still have a slice of humble pie in my pantry, I looked at longingly a few games ago but something stopped me.

Unfortunately I doubt if I will be going near it any time soon

;cake

Bazshuayi

I'm not suggesting we sack Moyes but I would suggest his job shouldn't be dictated by whether we stay up or not. He's either a good enough manager for us next season (whatever league we are in) or he is not.

If we are going to gofor a trendier, younger manager then I'd just go and get Silva now instead if waiting around to discuss things at the end of the season when another club has already signed him.

claretandbluesky

It's hard to judge Moyes as there is little doubt he has brought something to us and we have achieved certain results because of the qualities instilled, yet he has also been no more consistent than Slav and we have certainly had our share of shockers under both this season.

I think appraise at the end of the season, at present I am slightly in favour of keeping him on.

Kuchinghammer

Moyes got a bit cocky when we were doing well, but he's never dealt well with any team losing form. His dour 'tell it like it is' approach doesn't exactly lift the spirits, and its a bit of 'The Darkest Hour' stuff needed now. ps If we're in the Champo, he's the last man I want in charge. Nobby would be a good shout, not as manager but in the support team. pps my humble pie is ready and I'll be delighted to eat it after the Everton game ;cake

Lukerz

claretandbluesky said:

It's hard to judge Moyes as there is little doubt he has brought something to us and we have achieved certain results because of the qualities instilled, yet he has also been no more consistent than Slav and we have certainly had our share of shockers under both this season.

I think appraise at the end of the season, at present I am slightly in favour of keeping him on.

Almost like the issue is the quality and depth of the squad... ;hmm

Yeoldhammer

they had a Jan window to help Moyes out with and refused to.

MrsGrey

If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

Lukerz

MrsGrey said:

If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

Of course, signing those players and signing players who are any good are two different things.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

They signed a striker.....really

IronHerb

They signed a defender....really?

MrsGrey

Chortle chortle, most hilarious.

I was replying to yeold's statement that they 'refused' to help Moyes out in the summer window. A statement which is clearly false.

Yeoldhammer

MrsGrey said:

If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

a past it defender whilst selling our other CB that offers Nothing
a striker that cannot get off the bench
an up and down midfield player ?

MrsGrey

Oh, sorry. I had my telepathy turned off when I read and responded to your earlier comment. ;ok

alderz

MrsGrey said:

If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

But what was the point in signing Hugill, and did it improve us at all? He's been available for 450 minutes of football since signing, and he has played 12. That's 2.7% of available minutes that he's played for us. He replaced Sakho, who played 293 of the 1620 minutes he was available, 18%. So basically, we replaced a guy who never played with someone who plays even less.

Mario for Ayew is probably an improvement given his form for us, but Evra definitely hasn't improved us.

Loaning out Reece Burke AND selling Jose Fonte was daft, given our lack of other options.

Personally, I feel that we have a weaker squad now than we did before the transfer window

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Yea 12 minutes is a joke...and you can inly assume he wasnt a moyes signing...or he would be playing

Evra was a panic buy given Masuakas suspension

There is no point of him

Mario was the only signing id say Moyes actually wanted and while he hasnt done awfully he looks too lightweight for this league

Awful January window

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Sold a striker to a rival

Sold possibly the best finishing striker at the club

Sold a 4th CB when we’ve been using a 3 CB system quite a bit - plus did anyone look at our problematic defender injury history?

Said there would be no more over 30 something’s and sign Evra 36

Absolute shambles, they’re all to blame

alderz

Individually, I don't disagree with selling any of the people we sold. Ayew was poor for us and clearly didn't fit in. Fonte was way past his best and we were being offered money for someone who wouldn't be in our first team and had been out for months. Sakho never had his head on right. Burke needed first team football, and Oxford wanted to back to BMG. All of that individually makes sense.

But as a collective it is not good or smart business.

Yeoldhammer

agree Alderz

Selling Sakho needed to be done
Selling Ayew yes but no in January ! in Summer and certainly not to a relegation rival !
Selling Fonte needed to be done


But if we want to progress as a club we need Better than these guys Hugill and Evra are no better than the guys who left.

welovethehammers

alderz said:

Individually, I don't disagree with selling any of the people we sold. Ayew was poor for us and clearly didn't fit in. Fonte was way past his best and we were being offered money for someone who wouldn't be in our first team and had been out for months. Sakho never had his head on right. Burke needed first team football, and Oxford wanted to back to BMG. All of that individually makes sense.

But as a collective it is not good or smart business.

Selling those players was necessary for the reasons you stated. Unfrtohnately they all could have been good players for us.

However we didn't replace enough of them (3 signings wasn't enough) and B we signed awful players. I'm happy with Mario but Evra and Hugill are simply no way near good enough. I still can't understand why people think signing a "young, hungry forward" in Hugill is a good idea when he's not actually a good player? If I played I'd be hungry but that doesn't mean I'd be any good.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

I think it came about from those trying to defend the board

Pretty sure 95% of the people here didnt even know who he was before we were linked with him and similarly never seen him play

8 goals in the championship wasnt going to inpire confidence

Evra was just a panic due to arthurs suspension and the fact the window closed already, could only get freebies

baracks_a_hammer

alderz said:

But as a collective it is not good or smart business.

And neither is suddenly realising on deadline day itself that dendonckers club might actually need to have a replacement before selling to us

grey_til_I_dye

Champo

Please think about moving away from the idea that people are 'defending the board' when they post; it isn't helpful, and doesn't represent what is happening.

Personally, I never intend what I post as 'defending the board' (despite that label getting stuck on me by various posters.) I just try to interpret what I see/read in front of me.

SuzanneClaret

and it’s not black and white either...

For or against.

There is a huge area in between were a lot of us stand.

baracks_a_hammer

Another thing about yesterday was that Moyes quite clearly got done over like a kipper by Dyche - only last week Burnley soaked up pressure and then he sent on wood to do a smash an grab. It was obvious to most that they would try the same again. We were powerless to stop it

Cuz1

alderz said:

MrsGrey said:

If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

But what was the point in signing Hugill, and did it improve us at all? He's been available for 450 minutes of football since signing, and he has played 12. That's 2.7% of available minutes that he's played for us. He replaced Sakho, who played 293 of the 1620 minutes he was available, 18%. So basically, we replaced a guy who never played with someone who plays even less.

Mario for Ayew is probably an improvement given his form for us, but Evra definitely hasn't improved us.

Loaning out Reece Burke AND selling Jose Fonte was daft, given our lack of other options.

Personally, I feel that we have a weaker squad now than we did before the transfer window

We have but we made money I always thort a window was to improve the squad not to balance the books but ay what do I know

Cuz1

And personally don’t think you can judge a player with 12 minutes to his name

baracks_a_hammer

We had a poor squad before the wIndow. The combination of a shambolically poor window and some season long injuries (some of which were known before the window shut) has remarkably made that poor squad even poorer.

I am personally, therefore, not surprised we are now getting thrashed/humiliated on a fairly regular basis.

alderz

I don’t agree that our squad is poor, I just think it is too thin, and unbalanced.

IMO, every position we have at least one player who is a good premier league player (and when I say every position I’m meaning 3 CBs, 2 CMs, etc).

The trouble is that we have an injury crisis every five minutes and there is not sufficient quality to our depth.

chicagohammer

Unfortunately, alders, the Premier League is a punishing league, I agree that we can put out a decent first eleven and a couple of subs, but to get by in this league you need a strong squad and that squad has to have quality beyond the team sheet.

buffybegood

MrsGrey said:

If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

An out of contract 36 year old defender, an overseas loan midfielder, and a barely average championship forward, whilst selling Sakho, Ayew and Fonte. I'm not against any of those going, but replacing them with worse is hardly backing the manager imo, especially as nothing else was done to sort the problems that weren't addressed in the last summer window.