The David Moyes Thread

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  • HamstewHamstew
    edited January 2020
    Get Joe Cole in the coaching team and be done with it. :wahoo:
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Hamstew said:

    Get Joe Cole in coaching team and be done with it. :wahoo:

    < Googles Joe Cole's public opinions on the West Ham board >
  • yoyoyoyo
    I would have thought that Moyes would have taken the job on the understanding he could pick his own backroom staff...maybe not?
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    I did and found this in the article:
    "As a former prodigal youngster and academy graduate, Cole would also provide a great reference point and guide for a host of players coming through the system at West Ham."

    Do we really have a host of players coming through the system at West Ham? Genuine question.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Well, we have a full Academy programme with all age groups. That's 'a host' I suppose.

    I don't think it means 'a host' on the verge of a 1st team breakthrough.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    For most professions the universe is pretty small and it is never considered a smart move to publically criticize a former employer, so.............
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    He's also been quoted as saying:



    Not sure that anything I've read can be construed as direct criticism. Loaded statements, maybe, but not criticism.

    It's his word against theirs so I guess we'll never know the truth (unless Moyes pipes up as to whether it was his decision not to bring Pearce back). I know who I'm more inclined to believe, but maybe that's just me.

    As it is, I'm with Ham and would prefer Cole as a coach. More attuned with the modern game I would say and a great role model for the Academy boys on the verge of the first team.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    Clearly one of those threads we can discuss for fun but recognise we don't have the information to know what has really taken place. It does bring two things to mind for me however.

    I don't want Pearce at the club as I have never been that impressed with his management and coaching record.

    Karren Brady of our board has been very unprofessional in the past concerning comments about past players and managers etc within her column in the Sun. I guess however she never anticipates any of them employing her at some point in the future.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    claretandbluesky said:

    Karren Brady of our board has been very unprofessional in the past concerning comments about past players and managers etc within her column in the Sun. I guess however she never anticipates any of them employing her at some point in the future.

    She has, however, made comments about other clubs (Leicester being the obvious example), even though she (and her employers) should have anticipated having to deal with these clubs in the future.

    Sullivan also had a very public spat with the Sporting chairman over the William Carvalho offer.

    It would be very hypocritical, IMO, for our board to not hire anyone on the grounds of unprofessionalism.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    good point !
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Of course, we don't know that the reason SP 'thinks' is, in fact, the reason.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2020
    OldCastleSwift said:




    It would be very hypocritical, IMO, for our board to not hire anyone on the grounds of unprofessionalism.

    The situation isn't quite the same.

    Let's look at what would make it like the (alleged) SP situation....

    After the public criticism, West Ham go back to try to do some transfer business with these guys and find that the other club(s) are reluctant to engage with them. Then WH claim that 'oh they just don't want to do business with us because they think we expressed some dissatisfaction with them in the past'

    THAT would be similar to the scenario we are discussing.

    And presumably you'd be calling them (the other clubs) petty, because they are reacting to being criticised in public? Or calling them unprofessional because they are not backing their manager/DoF in the transfer market? Or, given that the Sporting Lisbon guy did a fair bit of bad-mouthing of his own, hypocritical?
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Is Brady still banned from Leicester’s boardroom over the spat they had or was that resolved ?
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    I thought Moyes said when appointed he’s considering Pearce but he has other commitments which would make it difficult.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited January 2020
    To me it's quite simple Mrs G. You've suggested he may not have been hired because of his perceived unprofessional public comments. That's fine, and may well be true.

    But given that members of our board have made unprofessional public comments themselves, I would consider it hypocritical of them to not employ someone for that reason.

    I'm not saying the situations are exactly the same, or that what I'm saying is right; just pointing out what I consider to be rank hypocrisy.
  • yoyoyoyo
    I'm not overly bothered about Pearce ( loved him as a player ) but I would like to see some young blood being given some coaching opportunities which may well lead to something in a few years.Too early for management but with Man Utd having Carrick on the bench , we should be looking at snapping up the likes of Cole, Rio, Collison , whether they are currently employed or not. Plan for the long term.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Makes me laugh how sections of the meejah pick their narratives. Arteta is hailed as a genius for getting a couple of wins, and changing things at half-time in the FA Cup, while the Moyesiah is sneered at and dismissed.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    And that’s just by the home fans
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    Paragraph three, sub section 2a: Anyone in the Premiership associated with Pep Guardiola shall be deemed a genius. If said party is not British and in fact a Johnny Foreigner chappy, this rule shall be applied without delay
  • HamstewHamstew
    edited January 2020
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Makes me laugh how sections of the meejah pick their narratives. Arteta is hailed as a genius for getting a couple of wins, and changing things at half-time in the FA Cup, while the Moyesiah is sneered at and dismissed.

    Especially as Arteta would have more than likely picked up most of his managerial experiences from Moyes due to playing his best football under him at Everton.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    yoyo said:

    we should be looking at snapping up the likes of Cole, Rio, Collison , whether they are currently employed or not. Plan for the long term.

    Cole is interested in coaching at West Ham but talks are "early doors" (Guardian).

    Collison was our U-16s coach until June this year when he left to take up a better job in Atlanta

    Rio took his badges in 2016 but since then has shown zero interest and seems happier being a pundit. More likely he'll replace Lineker than coach for us.

    I don't care whether our coaching staff are ex-Hammers or not, we should be hiring the best we can get.
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Before Rio replaces Lineker (on MOTD), he'll have to have a few elocution lessons.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Joe Cole said on Sky that he’d like to work for us. He was kind of saying he’d want to be manager but assume he realises he’s never getting that job with his current experience. I think it would be nice to have him and there are benefits. But he’s here to learn as well and I hope as well that we have the best staff for the roles. We need a new director of football who is not attached to Moyes and who can plan our recruitment, including in coaching roles.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited January 2020
    I don't care whether our coaching staff are ex-Hammers or not, we should be hiring the best we can get.

    Exactly. Few can have had more commitment to the club than Dicksy, but he was hardly stellar in his time on the back room staff. (Although the cones never looked neater, and he did leave us with a large quantity of old rope...)
  • McHammerMcHammer
    The good news is Moyes gets better with age


  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    I saw that when on a recent Moyes pic hunt. My mouse was too afraid to click on it :nonono:
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Easily the most terrifying thing I’ve ever seen.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    I'm sure Ham has something in his photo library to challenge that
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    edited January 2020
    He's no oil painting, but that pic has been seriously doctored

    https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1878429.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/David-Moyes.jpg

    I also found this
    https://westham.vitalfootball.co.uk/opinion-key-man-in-david-moyes-system-has-to-be-dropped-after-west-hams-weekend-woes/
  • HamstewHamstew
    OldCastleSwift said:

    I'm sure Ham has something in his photo library to challenge that


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