The David Moyes Thread

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  • Interesting view by Rice on the OS regarding how Moyes gave him an ear bashing when he ducked against Arsenal causing a goal and again on another occasion. He also said the players really like Moyes so maybe they did have an issue with Pelle.
    According to Declan at his first team meeting he told them “you don’t run enough and you don’t work hard enough. If you don’t run you don’t play”.
  • DB8 concierge :hmm:
  • I had a royal marine colour Sargent in training that told me the same thing
  • Jack Collison quit as our U-16 manager to join Atlanta FC about 6 months ago and seems quite happy with his new life from his Twitter account.

    It's hardly likely he's going to drag his family back across the pond unless its for something major although he did tweet about liking the idea of being Joe Cole's assistant manager.
  • edited January 2020
    God I love Jack Collison
  • Sounds like a good partnership a couple of years down the line. Jack to continue his apprenticeship abroad and Joe to get some experience somewhere. Too soon otherwise IMO
  • I read this morning that Stuart Pearce was on a radio show recently and said that he isn't coming back because the board have blocked it. They're not happy with previous critisism he'd levelled at them, apparently (his words, I understand)

    Surely if the manager they hired wants Pearce as part of his team, then the board should be professional and back Moyes' wishes.
  • Interesting.

    Hypothetically (which this is) I don't think any board has to give carte blanche to any manager to bring in whoever they like. The board is the employer, and will have certain standards about who they employ.

    Hypothetically, if we reverse it, do you think a board can never sack one of the coaching team brought in by a manger (say, for gross misconduct). Is that failing to 'be professional and back the manager's wishes'?

  • edited January 2020
    Whilst I agree that Moyes should be able to pick his staff, I've read comments over a number of years regarding Pearce's lack of managerial and coaching prowess and I can't say I'm unhappy hes not returning
  • MrsGrey said:

    Interesting.

    Hypothetically (which this is) I don't think any board has to give carte blanche to any manager to bring in whoever they like. The board is the employer, and will have certain standards about who they employ.

    Hypothetically, if we reverse it, do you think a board can never sack one of the coaching team brought in by a manger (say, for gross misconduct). Is that failing to 'be professional and back the manager's wishes'?


    I get that the board can emply who they like. Their club, their money.

    But from what I understand, Pearce's comments were made after he'd left the club, therefore misconduct doesn't come into it. It seems that they've blocked his return simply because he doesn't hold a favourable opinion of them.

    The issue for me is that if Moyes believes Pearce's involvement is beneficial to the success of the club, then the board should back his decisions. I could understand their reluctance if Pearce was a proven racist, or homophobe etc, because that affects the reputation of the club, but in this instance it seems to be personal rather than professional reasons that they don't want him back.
  • Bazshuayi said:

    Whilst I agree that Moyes should be able to pick is staff, I've read comments over a number of years regarding Pearce's lack of managerial and coaching prowess and I can't say I'm unhappy hes not returning

    No, I have no great desire to see Pearce come back. I've also read that he isn't the best coach, but it's more the principal :ok:
  • Understood and fair enough. That said, we've not heard any counter comments re Pearce from Sullivan or Brady who my have a different version (me keeping an open mind :hmm: )
  • Pearce is not that convincing a coach IMO. Feisty, competitive and exceptionally high quality player back in the day, but it doesn’t follow that he will be a good and effective coach IMO. Similar applies to Roy Keane.
  • Bazshuayi said:

    Understood and fair enough. That said, we've not heard any counter comments re Pearce from Sullivan or Brady who my have a different version (me keeping an open mind :hmm: )

    Absolutely; always two sides to every story.

    I just know who I'm more inclined to believe.

  • No, I have no great desire to see Pearce come back. I've also read that he isn't the best coach, but it's more the principal :ok:

    Although from your earlier comment you've actually conceded the principle that there will be circs where a board doesn't have to back the manager. :hmm:

    So you are more looking at where the line is drawn, ie not the principle but the specifics of a case?

    In which case, it might be argued that criticising your previous employer publicly (even after you are no longer employed by them) is unprofessional... and so the employer's decision not to re-employ is not personal but professional?

    Furthermore, in this example that you are outlining ...if what we have been told is a fair representation of the truth and not just one person's spin on it ... it's less the employee's opinion that's the issue (after all, how would anyone know what he thinks if he kept schtum) but his going public with it. It seem reasonable to assume that Moyes himself thinks their previous decision not to extend his contract was a wrong one, and the board thus know he has a negative opinion of what they did. But they re-employed him.
  • "I could understand their reluctance if Pearce was a proven racist"

    Just this sec I remembered he was called out for racially abusing Paul Ince...

    Unlike John Terry, he admitted it and apologized

    (I'm not saying he was refused the return for being a racist, just that I recalled it)
  • I don't believe for one second that Sullivan has rejected Pearce because of any perceived unprofessionalism. Of course it's possible, but I don't believe that's what's happened.

    I do, however, believe that that Sullivan is petty enough to block Pearce's return because he's voiced a negative opinion of him.
  • edited January 2020
    Maybe they just don't think he's very good :hmm:
  • I can see Sullivan being petty (if youre the owner I guess you can be so and plenty of other things) but I totally see Pearce as not being very good too
  • I don't believe for one second that Sullivan has rejected Pearce because of any perceived unprofessionalism. Of course it's possible, but I don't believe that's what's happened.

    I do, however, believe that that Sullivan is petty enough to block Pearce's return because he's voiced a negative opinion of him.

    I think that Sullivan could very easily point to that as a lack of professionalism though? It seems pretty difficult to draw a distinction around pettiness in this instance. To me, it feels as though (assuming what Pearce has said is the case) Sullivan doesn't want to appoint someone who has badmouthed the board, because why would you want to appoint someone who has slagged you off publicly?

    Different circumstances, but if someone left my team and ran their mouth saying that I was a bad boss or that the team was poor, or whatever, I might have some reluctance to work with them again.

    I agree that generally the board should appoint the coaching staff that the manager wants to bring in, but I think this is probably an ok reason not to, IMO. I'd be more concerned if they were not appointing him because of a perceived lack of quality, because that would be them suggesting they don't trust the managers judgement of ability to the job.
  • edited January 2020
    I've just seen the story on the BBC, and it does include this part to the story.
    THE BBC said:

    West Ham have declined to comment, although it is understood owners David Sullivan and David Gold deny blocking his return and were happy to leave the decision to Moyes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51005585
  • "He recouped around £25m in one transfer window. So it wasn't a case of going in there and having money to spend - he recouped money. So that money is somewhere around the club.”"

    This probably didn't sit too well with Sullivan
  • Loved Pearce as a player, but I've never seen anything that suggests to me he is a good coach.
  • I think it is a shame that some people can't get past their dislike of the board to consider issues fairly.
  • edited January 2020
    Not really sure any of us can comment on whether an assistant coach is good or not, none of us are privy to that kind of knowledge, opinions , yeh , but not sure any of us knows what he is like as a coach, unless we know players he has coached, somewhat different to judging a manager, IMO of course.
  • edited January 2020
    I notice Pearce says 'I think the owners felt ... and put a block on it'.
    So he has no idea, he's speculating.

    He could, of course , be right. But it could be that he is happy to blame someone else's (unjust) decision that he didn't get the job.

    I suppose it's an alternative to thinking you aren't good enough. Or that there are better options available. Or Moyes prefers someone else.
  • edited January 2020

    "He recouped around £25m in one transfer window. So it wasn't a case of going in there and having money to spend - he recouped money. So that money is somewhere around the club.”"

    This probably didn't sit too well with Sullivan

    Why?

    If under Moyes some money was put into the coffers from player sales, we can all see that in subsequent transfer windows the club bought expensive players, and broke the transfer record (?twice). Haller, Anderson, Diop ... the money's probably not 'around the club' any more.
  • jay

    Well, I can comment, but it may not be well-informed...

    All I can say is ,I've never seen any comments from players suggesting they think Pearce is a top coach, and his record as a manager is hardly inspiring.

    I certainly don't feel we will be missing out if he doesn't rejoin.
  • Grey, you are of course right to comment & I was not directing my comment to anyone in particular as many have commented about him, just my opinion...Assistants are rarely spoke about tho as the final buck always lays with the manager/coach. :ok:
  • MrsGrey said:

    "He recouped around £25m in one transfer window. So it wasn't a case of going in there and having money to spend - he recouped money. So that money is somewhere around the club.”"

    This probably didn't sit too well with Sullivan

    Why?

    If under Moyes some money was put into the coffers from player sales, we can all see that in subsequent transfer windows the club bought expensive players, and broke the transfer record (?twice). Haller, Anderson, Diop ... the money's probably not 'around the club' any more.
    Because of the insinuation. Sullivan will know a lot of fans have a particular view of him and Gold, and comments like this will fuel the fans, fairly or otherwise.
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