Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    Apparently the Queen isn't going to be wearing her crown for today's Queen's Speech, and will not be getting the carriage out either.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    My mistake, apparently the crown has decided to meet her there ;ok




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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Half and hour, bish bosh, job;' a good 'un. Now off to Ascot. And the crown's got the rest of the day off. ;cool
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;lol
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    About fifty or so protestors have gathered at Shepherds Bush for the "Day of Rage" march on Downing Street to "overthrow the government".

    More police and press than protestors........
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    It's a bit to hot for rage today.

    All I've managed is a bit miffed.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    MrsGrey said:

    My mistake, apparently the crown has decided to meet her there ;ok




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    I think the Crown has to be at the State Opening of Parliament regardless of HM actually wearing it. On the news it showed HM in a blue outfit and matching hat reading The Queens Speech.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;ok It was a European hat, apparently. ;diva
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    Dennis Skinner ;lol

    The Queen's Speech: MP tells Black Rod to 'get skates on'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40351816
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;lol Apparently it's become a tradition every year that he (as a Republican) makes a comment.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    The Queen Trolls Parliament ;lol

    https://uk.style.yahoo.com/queen-just-wore-hat-looks-lot-like-eu-flag-134056849.html
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    MrsGrey said:

    ;lol Apparently it's become a tradition every year that he (as a Republican) makes a comment.

    Very witty he is too ;lol
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
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  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Wanted: Brexiteers, either unemployed or with time on their hands, to pick fruit, otherwise we'll be paying twice as much for our strawberries at Wimbledon ;biggrin
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40354331
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    If they pay a decent wage I'd be interested......but I don't think they do.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Herb, read the article.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    Suz - assuming that is Trumpton, is that a subliminal message that you think that our Donald wishes to restore the monarchy

    ;pray
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
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  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    May has given N.I an extra 1b to get the deal. ;nonono

    Time for some more austerity....
  • madridhammermadridhammer
    I'm appalled. £1 billion to Northern Ireland just to prop up a minority government? I'm going to stay positive though & say that she is going to have a hard time justifying this one. Sinn Fein have already said that it contravenes the Good Friday agreement & puts the peace process at risk.She will face the wrath of the Scottish Parliament & the Welsh Assembly,she will face opposition from sections of the Westminster parliament & the millions of public sector workers on a permanent pay freeze will be outraged. It wouldn't even surprise me if there are some Tory voters in the shires who aren't happy about this. The 'there's no magic money tree' quote looks pretty shallow after this & might well come back to haunt her. Let's hope it does.
  • madridhammermadridhammer
    One more thing. The DUP got something like 292,000 votes & have 10 seats. UKIP,who I utterly despise by the way,got 593,000 votes & didn't get any seats.The Liberal Democrats got over 2 million votes yet only have 2 more seats than the DUP. Does anyone else think it's about time we ditched first past the post? The Tories would still have won with PR but it would be a much fairer representation of the people's choice.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited June 2017
    Every one has their price......and in this case the DUP's is a cool £1 billion...... ;cool
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    madridhammer said:

    One more thing. The DUP got something like 292,000 votes & have 10 seats. UKIP,who I utterly despise by the way, got 593,000 votes & didn't get any seats. The Liberal Democrats got over 2 million votes yet only have 2 more seats than the DUP. Does anyone else think it's about time we ditched first past the post? The Tories would still have won with PR but it would be a much fairer representation of the people's choice.

    No one would have won with PR, the Tories got 42.3%, Labour 40%, both would have had to try to form a coalition government, the most likely outcome would have been a Labour, Lib Dem and SNP coalition which would have given them 50.4%

    The last time any party won more than 50% of the vote was 1931, that is why neither Labour or the Tories want to ditch FPTP, they know that neither of them will ever win enough votes to form a government on their own and as the Tories are currently in government because of FPTP they certainly aren't going to change anything
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
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  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    I am not sure just how a party can use public money to bribe another party to allow them to form a majority, and so brazenly and up front as if there is nothing wrong with it. Surely any coalition or even support should be given due to sympathy with the party and it's manifesto.

    My view is that until Brexit is given up this country will be ungovernable and brexit must be given up by it's supporters rather than a political party, and that will only happen once the pain of that ludicrous decision is felt in every corner of the country, as I think it will begin to be soon. I think at present as brexit is such a shaper of voting you could hold three elections in three months and neither party would gain a majority. Only when Brexit is out of the equation will other things begin to change peoples vote, and due to the state of public funding and austerity we will get a Labour govt, once leave voters remove their votes from the conservative candidate as brexit no longer an issue.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Bucks Fizz... Then and now.

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  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Yep, they still can't make their minds up... ;lol
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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Interesting reports of Barnier's mtg with HoL members last week.

    He is quite categorical: The [negotiated deal] should not lead to unfair competition... there will be major difficulties in obtaining ratification of any future agreement in [the EU] countries, because there will be campaigns against the negotiations. It will be said that Brussels is conducting negotiations with the UK to downgrade environmental and social standards, for example, which will lead to more tax competition. If that happens, everything is over.


    He's referring to the terms of a future trade deal which will require the UK to commit to the same (or, I suppose, higher) standards as are in the EU.

    Of course, it could be a negotiating stance, but I hope they follow through with this stance.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    I think that we are working towards a moment in time which will involve the Govt coming clean and saying in more or less words that we can not reach a deal as we have little to negotiate with, we either leave altogether or we remain. We then go to a general election and each party can put their position to the polls.

    There is a phrase which will fail to apply by degrees the further these negotiations produce nothing resembling what was predicted by Boris's band of brothers, that phrase is will of the people. As the reality becomes clear the will of the people will change and all that will remain to be done is formulate the democratic circumstance to produce it, so we can confine the most absurd episode in the UK's political history to the bin. We will of course be damaged by it for years to come and our standing and leverage within Europe will be diminished.
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