Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

Fortuneseeker

Yes, but ours is 57,000 so we are obviously the bigger club. ;whistle

Fortuneseeker

I have to admit I do find it a bit disconcerting that on a forum for West Ham fans I am being asked to produce evidence to support a claim that we are bigger than another club. I could understand it a bit more if I was having a debate with a supporter of another club but why on here? ;ok

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Why would football fans as standard have to hold the belief their club is bigger than another?

The whole ‘mine’s bigger than yours’ seems a bit childish, to be honest.

MrsGrey

Size, relative size compared to another club - just doesn't factor in at all to why I love West Ham. I'll still support no matter how big or small they become. I know other people care more about that sort of thing. Fair enough. We are all fans, but for different reasons.

Also, fortune, your claim about West Ham being bigger than Leicester was the basis for a judgement about the respective owners' ambitions. So really I was getting at the point that for someone to accept and agree with that conclusion, they'd have to agree with the premise. Which was, in your own words, just a personal opinion ;ok

And, as a somewhat tangential comment, I like to see evidence to support any claim. No free pass from me just because the claim flatters West Ham. But I am quite argumentative by nature ;biggrin #bolshy

Fortuneseeker

Mrs G,

Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to raise my game. ;biggrin

MrsGrey

;lol ;hug

imagelost

Last the last straw ;yercoat

Moojor

He is gone after this. There is no way he survives.

imagelost

Neville

steve

;nonono

steve

;lol now I see the joke

imagelost

Who

EXETERHAMMER

I think this discussion could get lively. I am still in the Bilic should stay camp.

sweepy23

Clearly I was wrong.

Bye bye Bilic

I don’t see how the owners have a choice after this result

steve

;puzzled what

imagelost

Neville

IronHerb

Yep, Bilic out

imagelost

Put his mouth where the money is ;champagne

imagelost

Erm great interview slav,,

TwistandShout

I love Slav , he's a nice guy and has acted with real class since he's been here. But you can't carry on after a performance like that

SuzanneClaret

Enough is enough.

We were shambolic tonight.

This is the best squad we have had in ages and we can’t stop a Brighton team with Murray in it from scoring 3 goals.

MarkNobleLocalHero

I look at the back of tonights programme to see the respective squads and there is no-one in the Brighton squad I would choose over what we have and yet...
OK lets get Murray ;doh That Knockaert was good in the championship so maybe two except if we had bought either of those two in the window I would have been distinctly underwhelmed. On paper we are head and shoulders (no joke intended Joe) above them but.....0-3 ouch.
It can only be down to one person. He carries the can and not just for this match.

Putney_Hammer

Wouldn’t be surprised if Everton lose to arsenal and we swap managers ;lol

whupathman

But would Wenger come to us?

OldCastleSwift

The time has come. I thought he should have gone after the Newcastle game but Huddersfield saved him. The Swansea win gave him another stay of execution but there is no coming back from this.

This is the best squad we've had for a long, long time but there is no shape or style to our play, and the buck had to stop with the manager.

For me, the board have to face a stark reality; the "morality" of letting Slav see out his contract, or Premier League survival, because I fear they can't have them both.

claretandbluesky

I am a Bilic fan but even I can recognise that it's now time. Sadly I think he owes his wages for the last year to Payet who made him look better than he ever was.

tomkinsworldclass

I'm a Bilic fan and he still retains my complete faith and belief in him and that we will go on to have a productive, enjoyable season as it is still early on. It was a bad performance and result but I think the players deserve an awful lot of the blame for it; normally I tend to try to avoid the blame game as it tends to be abit too simplistic and retrospective but vs Brighton it wasnt about the selection or tactics or any other simplified element, it was about the players' attitude, desire and individual responsibility for their own game and that sacred covenant of playing for your teammates.The manager will get the blame as they always do but once the players cross the white line theres only so much a manager can do.

Looking at the goals in isolation- 1st-the defence isnt organised and gets distracted by a runner at the back, 2nd Antonio casually meanders back so Obiang gets dragged out wide 3rd Lanzini goes off the pitch for treatment leaving us down to 10 and overloaded at the back post which leaves Zaba in a tough position. Basic individual decision making which affects your teammate- address the runner at the back post if they are free, Antonio bust your gut to defend and get back into position so Obaing can stay in his, Lanzni, if you want treatment go down on the pitch as we are making the sub so the ref stops the game, etc, etc. Basic fundamentals of any self respecting pros which shouldnt have to be coached or told to do so.

Understandably there's are lot of heat and tension post match but for all the doom and gloom the PL table is still very very congested and it would be a complete over reaction for WHU to bring in a new manager; for so long WHUs managerial record and values used to be something to be so proud of but the ethos under G+S has made us a laughing stock. The underlying importance of a manager, which is so often disregarded in the modern era, is to problem solve, to analyse and address, to take direct action to get an effect; so Bilic, as he has done so many times at WHU, deserves support to realign things and get the team going in the right direction which has has done frequently for us.

The case for bringing in a new manager is also historically pretty bare; sure there will be an instant reaction as is the case in most appointments but then all the other issues and knock-on effects will rise again as they always do at WHU as we have consistently built around short-termisms. Slaven needs to make some big calls about the personnel and the dynamics, he needs to read the rot act because, as stated above, alot of the elements behind the poor performance were basic and individual- Antonios performance over the 90 was extraordinarily substandard for any league.

baracks_a_hammer

I believe Slav will still be in charge v Spurs and v Palace

OldCastleSwift

I believe he will be too.

I also believe we'll get a hiding in both.

baracks_a_hammer

Ultimately it will come down to what the Dave’s consider to be more important - the “moral” (a tad ironic given sully’s core line of business) obligation to honour a manager’s contract or the fact that paying fans are now being routinely insulted by appalling levels of performance week in week out.