Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

MrsGrey

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Spurs didn't just give a wallet, I was highlighting that as the least we could do, they gave a DVD, grass from white Hart lane, I think a scarf as well.

Look, I'm not intending to go into all the different things the club does for the fans, compared to Spurs (or any other club) to try to 'prove' that one is better than the other. That would be pointless and, in any case, impossible - it's always matter of opinion, depending on what sort of incentives each person most appreciated.

But before you slag off the club for not doing 'the bare minimum', have you actually looked to see what they do do?

Spurs gave some St holders some grass from White Hart lane in a keyring.

West Ham paid for new commemorative stones for all those fans who had commemorative bricks at the Boleyn Ground.

I'm not going to go on ...

grey_til_I_dye

Huttonhammer said:

Fans support a club but not all are behind the decisions made by the club and what happens at a club.
My view is that the two Davids are trying to take the club forwards and the manager is a very decent man who is trying his best. We have good players and have bought some good players recently .
What has been going on on the pitch has not been very good for a while. Especially this season so far.

I'd have no hesitation in agreeing with all of that.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

MrsGrey said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Spurs didn't just give a wallet, I was highlighting that as the least we could do, they gave a DVD, grass from white Hart lane, I think a scarf as well.

Look, I'm not intending to go into all the different things the club does for the fans, compared to Spurs (or any other club) to try to 'prove' that one is better than the other. That would be pointless and, in any case, impossible - it's always matter of opinion, depending on what sort of incentives each person most appreciated.

But before you slag off the club for not doing 'the bare minimum', have you actually looked to see what they do do?

Spurs gave some St holders some grass from White Hart lane in a keyring.

West Ham paid for new commemorative stones for all those fans who had commemorative bricks at the Boleyn Ground.

I'm not going to go on ...

If you're not going to go on then don't, my gripe is simply we seemed to of stopped doing the basics in comparison to other clubs. It wasn't just some grass, there was plenty of other stuff, it makes a difference to fans if you ask me

;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

grey_til_I_dye said:

Slizzy

I'm sure you know that I wasn't suggesting that 'everything' is fine.

My overall feeling is that those who call the club a circus, and those who call the board clowns, are vastly overreacting. I also think that, given time, Slav will sort things out (although that could just be my optimism in overdrive...)

I like the owners, I like what they have tried to do for us, and feel that without them we could easily have been in a far worse position than we currently are.

It isn't necessary for you to remind anyone that it is 'OK' to be negative.

Gman I can only go off what you typed, you weren't specific on what wasn't fine.

The circus piece was a joke I thought that was obvious and just a touch of irony right now based on Nobles comments

I have little problem with the manager and I'm not about to start slagging him off 3 games into a new season, never ever been my style and never will be.

I don't necessarily dislike the owners, but they annoy and frustrate me with their methods and I agree nobody knows what could've happened without them

;ok

MrsGrey

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

If you're not going to go on then don't,

;puzzled ;whome

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

;lol

Yeoldhammer

So if the Sakho contract is true how long before Bilic gets the axe.

Lukerz

What are the chances the 'personal problems' were the manager.

jay_in_cpt

Luke , wasn't it mentioned it was not football related, I mean I know some might think that Slav has no clue but that's a tad harsh no... ;wink

OldCastleSwift

Lots of rumours yesterday so it's impossible to know the truth regarding Sakho. He was originally quoted as saying he wants to go so he can play regular first team football. It then became 'personal problems' and had nothing to do with problems.

My gut feeling is that there's a personality clash with Bilic.

OldCastleSwift

OldCastleSwift said:

It then became 'personal problems' and had nothing to do with problems football

Fixed it for myself ;ok

EXETERHAMMER

His history at West Ham suggests tome that he would be a handful for any manager, not just Slaven.

I do think he is a very good striker when fit, and could make an excellent pairing with Hernandez. His attitude however is just not right.

SuzanneClaret

I have to say that I think Sakho's problem is Sakho.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

They fell out ages ago, said it then and saying it again now.

Slav has got a job on his hands trying to make this work, better hope he does as an injury to Hernandez and we're in real trouble.

All we can do now is support and back the lot of em and hope it comes out the right way up

MrsGrey

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/01/rafael-benitez-job-offers-newcastle-mike-ashley-west-ham

Rumours.

OldCastleSwift

I'm increasingly confident that Benitez will be our next manager, be it next season when Slav's contract is up, or sooner if we don't get a win in the next three

NEoldiron

Can't see it myself; from that Grundian article it seems that all the things that would cause Benitez to quit Newcastle are similar to what we seem to be guilty of.

baracks_a_hammer

The difference is, the daves will tempt him with the lure of top quality signings and then for one reason or another they won't be signed. Whereas mike Ashley will just flat out say he hasn't got the cash

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Top top managers will find it very hard to work for the likes of Ashley/SuGo

Imo

grey_til_I_dye

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Top top managers will find it very hard to work for the likes of Ashley/SuGo will only work for clubs that can spend ridiculous amounts of money

Imo

Fixed it for ya! ;ok ;wink

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

;lol

That's another way of looking at it....

I would love to see a really BIG name come to us just to see how it panned out, whether the owners may act differently and just the dynamic....

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I think Benitez will be our next manager and I'd be happy if it was sooner rather than later.

SuzanneClaret

I'd rather he wasn't at any time.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Can't say I have anything against Benitez, but he's nearly always had a war chest.

Not sure that's a fit with us right now

baracks_a_hammer

Having thought about the events of the last couple of days and the club statement etc, I am of the view that it would have been far kinder and fairer for the daves to have just called it a day with Slav straight after the Newcastle game.

Instead Slav's fate appears to be "death by a thousand cuts" - regardless of how one rates his abilities, he is no way deserving of that sort of treatment by his employers.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

It's the way they work.....

If he gets a couple of wins they'll shout it was never in doubt and always backed him

If he loses the next few they'll say that they had no choice but too cut him loose even though they did all they could for him and supported him, getting all his top targets (but messing around with the most important one - that was to cost a lot)

Personally I really hope he wins the next game or two, I want to see the fans reaction.

there is also a part of me that would love him to win the next couple and walk out of principle, hate saying that because the club is bigger than anything but that's how they've helped me feel right now

SuzanneClaret

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't say I have anything against Benitez, but he's nearly always had a war chest.

Not sure that's a fit with us right now

At West Ham we'd have a war envelope or at best a war shoe box ;lol

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

True that

SuzanneClaret

To be honest I think the crowd - who have always backed Bilic - are more likely to turn on the owners.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Possible, I think they really need to get benhind him and the boys for huddersfield, sing his name, if we go behind it will be toxic, stories of banners being made for the owners, they'll get searched and taken off though, probably