Referees

Kuchinghammer

Since the last referee could have cost us the match, i thought I'd share comments about re
fs for West Ham matches. A sort of warning...
I've been giving +2 down to -2, and averaged out the points per game reffed, and they fell into four groups...
The 12th man for them: England, Harrington,Banks Barrott Andy Madley, Jones.
The Reluctant to Give Us Anything: Smith Bramall, Oliver, Robinson Gillett, Attwell.
The OK Group: Salisbury Pawson Tierney Ksvanagh.
Finally, the Refs who have little Home Team or Big Six bias: Taylor Hooper, Kitchen
I think Buffybegood will have something to say about one name in particular 😁

buffybegood

Is this just for matches this season, or for a longer period? Where's Wednesday's ref, or have you got a minimum number of games for them to ref us for you to include them in your groupings?

jay_in_cpt

Guess you won’t be overjoyed to know that Monday evening’s referee is Andy Madley 🤣😬⚒️

IronHerb

They're all poor for all teams so it doesn't really matter that much.

jay_in_cpt

Kuchinghammer said:

I think Buffybegood will have something to say about one name in particular 😁

Just one 😉🤣🤣🤣⚒️

Kuchinghammer

buffybegood said:

Is this just for matches this season, or for a longer period? Where's Wednesday's ref, or have you got a minimum number of games for them to ref us for you to include them in your groupings?

Several years...e.g. Oliver has reffed WHU 28 times, so it's a reasonable sample. I thought putting Donohue in after one terrible game was a bit mean.😀 Maybe I should have added the number of games reffed...

Kuchinghammer

IronHerb said:

They're all poor for all teams so it doesn't really matter that much.

Well none of them are perfect, but that's why I started doing this, to find out which ones are less perfect. (I'm retired, so have time to follow up these whims😉)

Kuchinghammer

I'm not going to comment on every game btw! Madley certainly fell into the 'reluctant ' category imo. I think he only left Summerville on because he knew the pen decision was so soft. People have pointed out his other decisions, and I'm not interested in endless debate over each one.

Kuchinghammer

I have a theory that may be proven in the next few weeks.
Are refs being 'strongly advised' to give penalties only when blatantly obvious? West Ham had an appeal for a clear push on Disasi turned down, which may have influenced the later Fernández decision. I can't remember any penalties this week...
The same possibly applies to red cards (Pickford, for instance) and the second yellow card, which three Everton players avoided despite continuing to chop Summerville down.
We shall see...

Fortuneseeker

KMI panel statistics show that Jones has been responsible for five of the 12 errors this season regarding second yellow cards not being shown. All of his mistakes should have resulted in red cards.

Jones has the joint-most errors on second bookings in the past two individual seasons, with three recorded in 2024-25 and two in 2023-24.

Of 42 cases regarded as mistakes across the three campaigns, Jones has made 10 of them.

Starting from next season, the video assistant referee will be able to review red cards resulting from two yellows, but they will not be able to look at missed second cautions.

Interesting stat IMHO. I reckon there are a few who are also in the same category.

alderz

Fortuneseeker said:

Starting from next season, the video assistant referee will be able to review red cards resulting from two yellows, but they will not be able to look at missed second cautions.

This is super interesting to me, and I think will become a problem. At the moment, clearly there are refs not giving second yellows. To get a VAR review, they will need to give them, but VAR won’t overturn unless it’s clear and obvious. I can’t see how this doesn’t end up with more red cards next season.