The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

IronHerb

We bought Arnie for £25m so to sell him at the same price would be exceptional, for the purchaser.

chicagohammer

It looks to me as if DM is asking for enough rope to hang himself, I am firmly in the camp that we need an experienced director of football, someone separated from the owners who can work hand in hand with the manager overseeing recruitment, team morale and youth development.

DM seems to have a very high opinion of his abilities and I am fearful that this trait may end up being his undoing, which of course means that we may have a rocky road in front of us.

I hope I am wrong, and I still have a sizable humble pie in the pantry.

COYI

thornburyiron

I've never been a fan of directors of football mainly because I have no idea what they do. When you consider David Pleat was one it begs the question that if this is the level you expect why would you bother.
If the manager has the final say and you have decent scouts looking for players that should be enough.
The two D's would decide how much they're prepared to pay in fees and salary.

PrestonHammer

It seems to me Mr. Sullivan wants to squeeze every last penny out of the deal. Daniel Levy is probably the same. The difference is Levy is a master at it and unfortunately Sully isn't.

ClaretandBlueforLife

billybondsbeard said:

Forgive me from being a pessimist but I dont trust Sully to stay out of things without a DOF at least nominally in place. Again, the club's stated policy made only a few weeks ago now seems to have changed. Sully will always have the ultimate say in any case, as he will control the purse strings. If people come in with 25m bids for Lanzini or Arnie, I actually think we would sell.
This summer will be a key test to see if things have really changed IMO, in terms of net transfer spend, and quality of targets. We still need a defensive mid, probably a RB and a GK whether JH stays or not.
I'm not holding my breath and am reserving judgement, considering we have Hugill on the books for some reason or another, who was apparently a Moyes buy..... ;hmm

BBB,
Even with a DOF I can’t for the life of me see Sullivan staying out and keeping quiet, although I/we dearly wish he would do just that and that son of his, if indeed it is actually his Twitter Account he spouts his nonsense from.

Pearces_Left_Foot

C and h saying West Ham was never going to appoint a d of f and the original story in the standard was wrong , sully just said he was stepping back and manager would nt sign a player without seeing them first all very strange

OutcastLondoner

From the minutes of the March SAB meeting

"KB confirmed the Club has addressed some of the concerns that have been raised by supporters, including the appointment this summer of a Director of Football to handle the transfer policy and resolving some of the issues around the look and feel of the stadium, which has started now and will continue through to next season."

https://www.whufc.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/Emergency SAB minutes 260318_6.pdf

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

They can’t stop telling porkies......

ASLEFshrugged

More likely they thought saying they would appoint a DoF sounded impressive and would go down well with the fans before they'd actually bothered asking Moyes his opinion on the proposal.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Probably, or it was just a “move” to quieten the discontented fans around the time
Of proposed marches and fan meets

MrsGrey

That quote doesn't actually say that a Director of Football would be appointed.


And I don't in any case think changing a plan after further thought and discussion means that the original plan was a lie, necessarily.

Yeoldhammer

Hope there is a protest at the last home game of the season regardless of the league we will be in next season.

OutcastLondoner

You mean from the minutes? I don’t see how that doesn’t say they will appoint a DoF. And any way it might be interpreted otherwise would be more dishonest than just changing the decision.

IronHerb

I’m not convinced fans wanted a DOF. They just wanted Sullivan out of the loop, especially in player selection.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Don't trust Moyes much more than Sully tbf...don't think his transfer record inspires confidence

But long term Sully needed to get away from it

baracks_a_hammer

It will always revolve around Sully. A DoF is just a different person to where the blame can be deflected when it goes wrong. They were quick to mock Slav getting snodgrass and Fonte, however for all we know Slav might have wanted other better quality players but Sully might have refused to pay what was required. After all that is exactly what happened in the case of Carvalho

MIAHammer

Wenger is available ;whistle

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Moyes is probably about the best we can hope for right now, I really hope he does "An EFC" but it's going to be tough, funny we've gone from the owners spouting "Champions league football", "Move will help us close the gap to the next level", to the manager now proclaiming "I'd like to get us consistently top 10"......

Will be interesting to see how much he will have to play with, I'd be surprised if it's over 30m

Cuz1

I’d say to turn the squad round with better balance it’s 50 million he needs and that doesn’t include sales generated cash will he get or not in my lifetime

ClaretandBlueforLife

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Moyes is probably about the best we can hope for right now, I really hope he does "An EFC" but it's going to be tough, funny we've gone from the owners spouting "Champions league football", "Move will help us close the gap to the next level", to the manager now proclaiming "I'd like to get us consistently top 10"......

Will be interesting to see how much he will have to play with, I'd be surprised if it's over 30m

Personally I think the manager has more grip on our reality than our owners/board. I think it was ridiculous of the board to make such a statement.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

They felt they had to sell the move, theybe made some outrageous statements since they arrived.

I honestly believe if they’d been a bit more realistic they'd get more respect from the fans and less hassle.

Trouble is they were blinded by the need to sell 57k seats at all costs.....otherwise immediately the move is questioned, they’ve not held up their end of the bargain though, where is the 40m a season net spend, add to that wasting untold and taking their interest while not doing enough in the last 4 Windows, you reap what you sow

Moojor

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Moyes is probably about the best we can hope for right now, I really hope he does "An EFC" but it's going to be tough, funny we've gone from the owners spouting "Champions league football", "Move will help us close the gap to the next level", to the manager now proclaiming "I'd like to get us consistently top 10"......

Will be interesting to see how much he will have to play with, I'd be surprised if it's over 30m

for us constant top 10 is the next step.

ClaretandBlueforLife

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

They felt they had to sell the move, theybe made some outrageous statements since they arrived.

I honestly believe if they’d been a bit more realistic they'd get more respect from the fans and less hassle.

Trouble is they were blinded by the need to sell 57k seats at all costs.....otherwise immediately the move is questioned, they’ve not held up their end of the bargain though, where is the 40m a season net spend, add to that wasting untold and taking their interest while not doing enough in the last 4 Windows, you reap what you sow

Not sure if they were discounting seats to fill the new stadium, which I thought they would have to do in any event that they’d raise anywhere near the sort of revenue to give a 40 million surplus for transfers, sounds like pie in the sky thinking imo.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

They were pretty clear that the move should generate 10-12m more a season than the Boleyn which was around 26m and Gold has always claimed the ticket money was the transfer kitty

Either way they fell well short

ClaretandBlueforLife

Agree they fell well sort but I think they would have said anything to sell the move to the fans & SAB.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Unfortunately yes, all they had to do was be a bit more realistic, they’ve dug their own hole with some of the things they’ve come out with. That being said my pet peeve is when fans say they were promised next level and world class players...

NO YOU WEREN’T!!!

Pearces_Left_Foot

Maybe the factored in get a percentage of naming rights which the lddc or who ever have still not managed to sell

ClaretandBlueforLife

Adam,
I think over time and with improved performances from the team taking us nearer to the level we’d like us to be at, prices will be hiked and discounts removed.

buffybegood

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

That being said my pet peeve is when fans say they were promised next level and world class players...

NO YOU WEREN’T!!!

Erm, Brady definitely said something about world class players for a world class stadium.

I suppose she is wrong on 2 counts then ;whistle

Fortuneseeker

dee,

Possibly not but it depends if you have a large enough group pf players to try to sign from surely a few must come off? We don't appear to do that. ;ok