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  • alderzalderz
    MNLH

    20 points in the 12 middle games of the season both years? That's the point of comparison I was making. It's obvious Moyes has done better than Bilic did at the start of the season.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    And another plus for me is under Bilic arnie was a complete waste of space and money where as Moyes as helped turn him into a world beater and a consistent one at that imo
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    I always thought Bilic transfer policy was lazy also; anyone that had a good game against us!
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Bilic brought us Manu, Payet and Arnie, amongst others.
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    His first season was great, he had a list from scouts from his other teams. His second and third were terrible. I don’t count Arnautovic, as he didn’t know how to play or manage him...similar Hernandez.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited February 2018
    Well, if you are going to pick'n'mix to suit your argument, then there's nothing to discuss
  • imagelostimagelost
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Bilic brought us Manu, Payet and Arnie, amongst others.

    Prove it
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Well, that's me stumped... ;puzzled
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited February 2018
    Maybe we'll wake up and find it was all a dream. ;nonono
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    I really want Moyes here next season. Priority. Number one for me.
  • imagelostimagelost
    imagelost said:

    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Bilic brought us Manu, Payet and Arnie, amongst others.

    Prove it
    What I mean is whom
    Bilic ?
    Sully
    Gold
    Young jack
    A N other
    K Brady
    I am just saying round pegs square holes,
    It just seems late in day
    The payet was great But who got him to sign
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
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    For me, you either give the manager 100% of the blame and credit for transfers, or you don't give any.

    I don't think it is reasonable to pick and choose.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Also, if you are trying to compare managers' records, you have to assume that they each 'signed' the players recruited on their watch. Otherwise.. well, any comparison is just impossible.
  • imagelostimagelost
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    grey_til_I_dye said:

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    For me, you either give the manager 100% of the blame and credit for transfers, or you don't give any.

    I don't think it is reasonable to pick and choose.

    With respect grey
    Whom done what with whom, sign who?
    Dave Moyes is here, I Dreaded him, I know have a lot faith in DM
    You could ask “ would payet stayed with Moyes as manger “
    ?
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Sully has said that he hopes Moyes will be our manager for years to come. You would have to assume that if Moyes is happy here - and it sounds like he is - that he'll get the two year extension (barring relegation).
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Me personally believe he will be offered a contract but he will turn it down, I hope he stays but in my tea leaves I think he will decide to go
  • alderzalderz
    I'm 90% there was an interview on the OS when Payet joined where Bilic said that Payet was his number 1 target, and there were subsequent interviews where Payet said Bilic was like a father to him.

    If the question is "would Payet have stayed with Moyes in charge" the answer is almost certainly no, because he wanted to go back to Marseille.
  • imagelostimagelost
    alderz said:

    I'm 90% there was an interview on the OS when Payet joined where Bilic said that Payet was his number 1 target, and there were subsequent interviews where Payet said Bilic was like a father to him.

    If the question is "would Payet have stayed with Moyes in charge" the answer is almost certainly no, because he wanted to go back to Marseille.

    Excellent answer ;bowdown
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    grey_til_I_dye said:

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    For me, you either give the manager 100% of the blame and credit for transfers, or you don't give any.

    I don't think it is reasonable to pick and choose.

    Can we put this up on a billboard outside Sully’s office window?
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    I remember reading that Sullivan was well aware of Payet and made that priority number one. I give it too Bilic 100% though. So he also takes Fonte, Snodgrass, The Turkish fella and all the rest on the chin also.
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    And especially Ayew.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    From match day 18 to 27....

    E10A2049-D1AC-441F-85C2-99ECB51D6DAA
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Moyes joined on week 12 right?
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    Interesting arguments about Bilic & Moyes. If Alderz has stats concerning Andy Carroll, I'd be interested (I'm an interested kind of guy): I have a theory that we now play better because AC is out of the way and we had to evolve another style of football. I thought Carroll was brilliant for team morale, but we always 'played to his strengths' and had no Plan B when he was injured.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Carroll should be the plan B but was often made plan A. Our strike force needed a total rehaul Sakho and Ayew gone. Move on Carroll and the job will be done on the striker re jig. It's then about bringing someone of quality in.
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    Yield, if and when fit Andy Carroll should also be England’s “Plan B” IMO
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    How the table looks for games since Moyes joined, not including Watford on Saturday:

    Capture

    From here: http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=home a decent alternative to the long absent statto.com
  • alderzalderz
    Kuchinghammer said:

    Interesting arguments about Bilic & Moyes. If Alderz has stats concerning Andy Carroll, I'd be interested (I'm an interested kind of guy): I have a theory that we now play better because AC is out of the way and we had to evolve another style of football. I thought Carroll was brilliant for team morale, but we always 'played to his strengths' and had no Plan B when he was injured.

    I don’t, and it’s a bit difficult to determine our style of play from stats. You could look at Squawka and see the numbers of goals, shots, crosses, through balls, long balls, possession in games when AC ahead and hasn’t played I guess?
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    We never played to AC strengths its why Cresswell crosses the ball perfectly to Hernandez put cannot put a cross onto the 6ft+ AC's forehead and instead hits the first man.

    Doesn't help when AC's weakness Heavily outweighs his strength in a football team (getting injured all the time)
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Moyes, who revealed any new scouting system would borrow from the one he put in place during his decade at Everton, said: “I want the West Ham supporters to think that, ‘Yeah, David Moyes is the right man for the job’; I want the West Ham board to think, ‘David Moyes is the right man’, and I also want to see that West Ham’s the right club for David Moyes because I’m ambitious. I want to be challenging against the big boys.

    “It took me years to build Everton up. And, in the end, I got a job which I thought would make things a bit easier to win and win cups and trophies.

    “I’m happy to do that again, but I don’t know if I’d get the time I got at Everton to build up West Ham over the years.

    “So, you need to have the tools to be instantly successful, really. And I need to know that, when it comes to it, we can do something, we can do a bit of damage here.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/02/11/david-moyes-plans-long-term-west-ham-owners-surrender/
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