Smash Those Potters - Stoke (A) Match Thread 16.12.17 3pm

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  • Cuz1Cuz1
    I agree lukerz deception seems quite strong if your trying to avoid a kicking
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    It's a bit of a thin line because why should throwing yourself to the ground in the penalty area because you think you might get kicked be any different to anywhere else on the pitch.
    Nobody except Lanzini knows why he did what he did ie dive to win a penalty or go down because he thought he was going to get scythed down anyway but whatever the reason was the referee was looking directly at it with an uninterrupted view and he deemed it to be a penalty.
  • welovethehammerswelovethehammers
    edited December 2017
    Why was Fabian Delph not banned when we played Manchester City? Rice was about to tackle him and then he took a tumble. Surely that should be a ban?

    Against Chelsea in the first half I saw at least 3 players go down softly. Morata turned one of our defenders and took a tumble. Why was he not banned? Zabacosta or whatever his name was kept going down like he was shot... why wasnt he banned? There was another Chelsea player who blatantly dived (think it was Marcos Alonso but could be wrong) - why wasn't he banned?

    I 100% agree Lanzini did dive and tbh I'm dissapointed in him for doing it but what irritates me is players who get away with it. I can't imagine they would ban a top Man City player if he were to dive but I feel they would pick on players at the lower end of the table.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    edited December 2017
    welovethehammers said:


    I 100% agree Lanzini did dive and tbh I'm dissapointed in him for doing it but what irritates me is players who get away with it. I can't imagine they would ban a top Man City player if he were to dive but I feel they would pick on players at the lower end of the table.

    Yep, agree with this, as always the lack of consistency is the thing that grates the most, especially when it seems the bigger clubs almost always get preferential treatment.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    The much criticized Mr Poll said some Refs would look at that situation and not award a penalty, not book Lanzini for diving and just give a goal kick due to not being certain what had actually taken place.

    When I played some years back I was taken out knee high in the penalty area and tried to play on until my leg gave way and all the Ref gave was a goal kick. After the match he said you should have gone down immediately as I thought you wanted to play on as you stayed on your feet for a step or two. My knee with a few stitches in didn't agree!
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I wonder if Lanzini can call the ref as a witness. ;hmm ;lol
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited December 2017
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    I think he is just unlucky to be charged and can see why we are appealing.

    An opposition player comes in with his wrong leg, studs up, obstructing Lanzini’s run at goal whilst having no chance of taking the ball and the panel can conclusively prove Lanzini was attempting to deceive the match official, despite there being minimal contact.

    All Lanzini has to argue at the appeal is he feared for his safety after anticipating a studs up, high challenge.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    You’ve picked one image out of so many. From behind, you see the defender’s leg and studs are quite some distance from Lanzini, and don’t extend out to threaten any harm.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    The point is that this all happens in a second more or less.
    Manu can see/is aware that Pieters is making a sliding tackle with his foot raised. His reaction is a purely self-preservation instinctive one.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Adam said:

    It’s simple. There should be Video Referees. If a referee awards a penalty, it always takes at least a minute for everyone to calm down and for the penalty taker to get ready.

    During that time, the video referee takes a look at the footage. If the footage shows that contact was initiated by the attacker (or there wasn’t any contact at all), then reverse the decision. Give the attacker a yellow card if it’s easy to tell it was 100% a dive, i.e. no contact at all.

    If the video is inconclusive (or the video referee can’t decide), then the referee’s decision stands.

    This way the team who were defending get the correct decision during the game and don’t suffer.

    There won’t be any of this 2-game ban nonsense.

    What happens when a penalty isn’t given? Does the team get to call it and we end losing a counter attack opportunity?
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Or if it isn’t given appeal to the video ref to overrule the ref and give it. Or just stick to what the ref says yes/ no end of
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    The thing is Lanzini has started to go down before any contact and he’s not tried to hurdle the challenge he’s gone down with his arms up in the air, like most players who try and make more of it do.

  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    He's dived and being punished accordingly.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Should De Bruyne be punished and suspended also (plus a few others but I can`t be bothered to find the videos). Blatant dive, no?

    https://streamable.com/dqm46

    If Lanzini`s suspension gets upheld and no other incidents are investigated from the weekend it shows what a mockery the whole procedure is. Absolute disgrace.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    If you look at this from the refs view, and the dive is seen to be blatant, surely it`s the ref who should be hauled over the coals. Couldn`t be in a better position.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/17/22/4767DF4800000578-0-Lanzini_made_the_most_of_the_challenge_as_he_won_his_side_a_pena-a-24_1513549878889.jpg
  • alderzalderz
    Adam

    I think Outcast was asking what would happen if a team appealed for a penalty and the ref didn’t give it. The opposition team break, but at what point does the VR come into effect? Do you stop the counter to look at it? Do you wait for the ball to go out of play? What if they went and scored at the other end and then the VR brought it back?

    I think VR works in a lot of sports because of the natural breaks, but that isn’t really the case in football.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Yes that’s what I meant, Alderz.

    Even if you say play continues and the VR examines it in the meantime, bringing it back if they find something, they’re going to be doing it under pressure to go quickly. Can you make a decision about one like Lanzini’s in those conditions?
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited December 2017
    Alderz/outcast ;ok unless you restrict it to decisions which are made (so a natural break). So a referee deems q tackle/foul not to be a penalty cannot be looked at, but a referee or official giving a penalty that is deemed controversial can be reviewed. So a natural break is in play to take it. Same with offside. Offside calls that result in a goal can be challenged (given on when off) but no other way. For example, when the flag is up and the ref blows for offside, all defenders stop anyway, so to then allow him to score and review it, it is deemed ‘onside’ and let the goal stand would be unfair as it was not a natural course of play.

    Not ideal, but seems the only realistic way.
  • BarneyBarney
    Madcaps picture appears to show the defenders hip going into Lanzini and I am sure that is what the referee saw. I dont think he dived; he appears to be trying to ride the tackle and the defender had to go through him to gt to the ball (which he is not anywhere near). successful appeal - I hope!
  • secrethammersfansecrethammersfan
    I reckon VR will just be used to enhance the current instances where the referee takes advice from the linesmen and fourth official.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Luke, the obvious get out for the referee would be to award a penalty every time thus creating a break in play, knowing that VR would be used to determine the validity of the decision.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    The problem with Madcap's picture is that Manu's arms seem to be in the exaggerated position that we normally call out as being a dive. Unfortunately ;wink
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    I think De Bruynes is a more obvious dive, I`m not sure he gets touched at all. If Lanzini`s appeal is turned down, it makes the ref look a right numpty. I`m also not sure where else his arms would be, if you fall they go either straight up or straight out. Unless you have them in your pockets of course.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Barney said:

    Madcaps picture appears to show the defenders hip going into Lanzini and I am sure that is what the referee saw. I dont think he dived; he appears to be trying to ride the tackle and the defender had to go through him to gt to the ball (which he is not anywhere near). successful appeal - I hope!

    Lanzini has left the ground and dived into the defender’s thigh, so has already dived before contact happens.
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    alderz said:

    Adam

    I think Outcast was asking what would happen if a team appealed for a penalty and the ref didn’t give it. The opposition team break, but at what point does the VR come into effect? Do you stop the counter to look at it? Do you wait for the ball to go out of play? What if they went and scored at the other end and then the VR brought it back?

    I think VR works in a lot of sports because of the natural breaks, but that isn’t really the case in football.

    That happened recently, I think it was in the Dutch league. I posted something at the time.
    Team a wanted a pen, team b broke and scored. The ref then ruled out the goal and awarded the pen instead.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    edited December 2017
    That's the right call in my view, the game must play until a natural break but if the penalty gets awarded any goals scored after are ruled out just like an offside in which the striker scores but the flag is then seen by the referee, the ball went in the net but due to an earlier infringement the goal is disallowed. The linesman is in effect an earlier version of assistance to the referee that video will be soon.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    No surprise IMO
    Lanzini failed appeal.
    2 match ban.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Does 1 of those games count tonight
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Yeoldhammer said:

    Does 1 of those games count tonight

    Yes
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5192169/Are-confused-panel-wearing-blindfolds.html

    Thankfully someone else thinks Zaha gets away with things?
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