The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...
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However just identifying the problems is the very first step. It is not a quick fix. For example our fitness issues cannot be solved with a few hard training sessions. Unfortunately it takes time which isn't really on our hands but that isn't Moyes' fault - that is just the nature of our problems.
You wrote "same players, same tactics, same problems, same result". To me I think that he picked (almost) the best team we had. There was an improvement but we are not going to magically play well for 90 minutes and win just because there's a new manager here. It's not that simple. It wasn't the same players - Sakho came on, Arnie started, Masuaku came on too, Martinez and Quina were on the bench - I'm sure if Bilic was manager for that game those things wouldn't have happened. The "problems" were still there (e.g. Getting overworked in midfield) but we covered more ground than we had previously. As I said it's not a quick fix and we looked a bit better. Still a long way to go which is worrying but we did improve a bit. The result obviously wasn't great but it wasn't a 4-0 thrashing.
I'm certainly not happy with where we are but I'm realistic to notice we aren't going to be winning and performing every match for 90 mins straight away.
In terms of going for a 0-0 draw. With our team that is just not going to happen. Even if we put out a super defensive line up. In all honesty I think we actually did put out a defensive team and this probably didn't help. Playing 3 central midfielders in Noble Kouyate and Obiang means they'll sit quite deep. As a result we are going to be in our own half for most of the match. And then on top of that - those 3 "defensive" players offered little defensive help in midfield. So all that did meant we were on the edge of the box "defending" yet not actually doing much defending! I think attack is the best form of defence as long as we don't go gung ho. When Masuaku came on, he was willing to drive forward with the ball and get to the opposition's byline. This put us in an attacking position and changed the momentum of the game up to a point. We became territorally a bit stronger. Obviously we don't want all our players bombing forward like this and forgetting their defensive work, but with the right shape and tactics this is more effective imo than sitting back and trying to go for a 0-0 draw which is just not going to happen with our weak defence and midfield. If we had a solid spine to our team then yes this could work but that's not the case.
We're playing like a lower league team in the Premier League.
Is he a striker? - No so you would not expect him to score at every chance.
My point was that we were warned aplenty when the took over by Birmingham fans "they will promise the world and deliver an Atlas thinking they have fulfilled the contract" or comments along those lines. They keep on telling us they are going to sort things out every year yet we are now in a position (league wise and with the team) where we were when they took over. Fine, they have sorted out the finances, but that took longer than it should have due to the deal they made with the previous owners, not that they have not done well out of it themselves, don't think may loans got a 7% interest rate (compounded if the interest was not paid) over the last five years.
We have had all sorts of problems with the move to the new stadium and there continue to be so, what with all the ongoing issues with deal and the stadium owners/managers and the blame being directed for out performances. The actual move was supposed to be easy - look how that turned out.
I don't like the owners or KB and never have, they have promised a lot and IMO have delivered on less than half of it.
I know what you said Grey - Why was that? How many of our players were on International Duty during the break? What were the rest doing - training most days or were they at home/on holiday with their feet up? What was our new manager doing on all the other days? What were his assistants doing? He must have some basic plan in place and been monitoring it if not actively engaging with the players that were not away. Is that going to be a pattern going forwards then, on two days he will be with the squad and the other 10 he's doing other things?
So you are accepting that if we have 3 or 4 senior players missing we will lose games at least 2-0 then?
Sorry, I am a bit angry as I don't think we have time to let DM 'Settle in and sort things out', he should have hit the ground running and been spending time with what players he had in the break. As someone else posted (possible on another thread), if things don't improve rapidly, looking at our games up to Christmas, come January it may be to late to do anything to stop us going down (barring a miracle).
Not sure why you feel putting words in my mouth is the way to go. Well, if you don't know that's what he did, then you haven't been paying any kind of attention.
You seem to feel that he should have had more of an impact in the time he had, with the players he had.
I don't agree.
It would have been great, but it's no great surprise to me that it isn't all suddenly better. These are the same players who have been failing for months now. I don't think Guardiola/Benitez/anyone you name could have come in and changed them much in the time Moyes has had.
We've played 12 games. There are 26 games to go. We need to find 9 wins in those games. I'd love to see us get them early, but to suggest that time is running out doesn't make sense to me.
shows you the task at hand. I wonder if Leicester will be branded as the "Save our Season" game in the programme notes ;lol
However, I will endeavour to answer for you.
1. 10 senior players were away on Int. duty.
2. Of the rest, 3 are injured.
3. The remaining fit players trained every day of the 1st week (inc. some double sessions). They rested at the weekend. Then were back on the training ground on Monday 13th
4. From pictures and video clips, it appears that Moyes was at all the training sessions. His assistants were confirmed on Monday and seem to have been present on that day.
You're welcome ;ok
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c20
I may of agreed to change my name if that had happened ;wink
Sez who?
He was our manager ....................... so what's the name changing to ;hmm
Had he become our manager AGAIN then i'd of changed my name.
At least Twist was already set ;lol
Grey - Google it, or don't, your choice.
;ok
Well, yes, I could Google it, or you could have had the courtesy to say where you had seen it.
Why do I need to prove where I saw it, don’t like it, or believe it, walk on by no?
Because you post stuff like that as 'fact', without bothering to provide a source so people can determine how reliable it is or isn't. So how can anyone make a reasonable determination as to its likely veracity?
If you can't be bothered to do that then perhaps you could preface such posts with
'Seen some random bloke reckons... '
I honestly don't see what your problem is with linking to, or at least indicating, sources.
Most people on here manage it.
It’s my post therefore my opinion, I’m sure plenty of people had seen the rumour doing the rounds that he was approached. Pretty sure I wouldn’t post anything I didn’t believe to be true?
Can’t be bothered? It wasn’t some random bloke, It was all over the internet for crying out loud!
What is the obsession with having a source every time? This was a place to come and post comments and opinions and have some fun along the way, akin to having a chat in the boozer. Not a blooming lawyers office
It is a statement (and therefore, one may assume, you are posting it as a fact.)
I'm not doubting whether or not you believe it, just suggesting you say where you saw it.
What's your obsession with not being prepared to say where you saw something? I see doing it as a matter of courtesy to other users.
If I was having a beer with someone and they said that, the first thing I'd ask is 'Where did you get that from?' I don't really think that counts as the third degree, or being over picky.
I don't feel responsible for how little or how much fun anyone has on here.
You can post or not post as you choose.
You can post how you choose.
If you make statements as fact, and don't say where you got the information from, you are likely to be asked.
That's it.
'All over the internet' equates to lots of blogs and fan sites, social media etc reporting and discussing it. But all of them trace the story back to a single source: a kumb story on 21 November that cites 'a source close to Sam Allardyce' as the origin of the story.
Make of it what you will.
Or some bloke who is close to SA let it out of the bag?
;ok
Make or it what you will, there were other stories that he wanted £8M to come back, just as well I didn’t mention that eh, because had I or been 50p out then all hell may or broken loose!