That would be the Rafa who agreed to join us and then dropped us for Real, would it?
Of course, I know, anyone would, but
a) we already agreed a deal with him he decided not to honour
b) see a)
And for goodness' sake, please would those insisting the owners are too mean to pay compensation provide some evidence to support this, or stop making baseless accusations?
It’s not difficult to find evidence.
Avram Grant - unemployed Sam Allardyce - unemployed Slaven Bilic - unemployed David Moyes (?) - unemployed
How on earth is that evidence that they won't pay compensation?
suz, I was puzzled too until I realised Luke is saying they were not working when we hired them, so didn't need to buy them out of an existing contract.
Which doesn't of course, address the fact that if you need someone quickly after you have sacked a manager, for example when you don't have a reasonable caretaker manager who can hold the fort for a few months, a replacement who is available quickly is preferable. The alternative - opening negotiations with someone at a good club, doing well, and persuading them to walk out mid-season to come to a club pretty much in crisis - is problematic.
(Yes, I know it might be easier t entice a working manager if you approached one at a small or struggling club, that's not doing well - they might jump at the chance to bail out .... and, erm, they'd be the sort of manager we would want to dig us out of a hole, yeah? ;puzzled )
But anyway, those points are moot because the owners won't pay compensation.
Unlike all the other owners who, when they have sacked a manager mid-term, and results are desperately needed to avoid relegation, manage to get a sexy new manager from another club. ;hmm
Well said, Hammerwombat. I really love the guy. I just hope his successor can not only get us playing good football but also represent the club in a way that inspires the pride in (so many of) us fans that Slaven does.
I think the issue with Slav is that he lost his self-belief.
In that first season, he had a swagger about him and the team very much reflected that. He had a confident, refreshing, resilient manner and the team was very much in his image.
Since that horrendous start to last season and the Dimi situation, he seems to look like a man waiting for the chop every week. I’m not sure the players have stopped playing for him or don’t want him to turn it around, but maybe they look at him and think “are you up for this fight”, and their performances kind of reflect the managers demeanour.
If today is to be his last day, thanks for everything Slav and you have conducted yourself with intergerity and class since day one. I just think the job has got to steep for you.
That would be the Rafa who agreed to join us and then dropped us for Real, would it?
Of course, I know, anyone would, but
a) we already agreed a deal with him he decided not to honour
b) see a)
And for goodness' sake, please would those insisting the owners are too mean to pay compensation provide some evidence to support this, or stop making baseless accusations?
It’s not difficult to find evidence.
Avram Grant - unemployed Sam Allardyce - unemployed Slaven Bilic - unemployed David Moyes (?) - unemployed
How on earth is that evidence that they won't pay compensation?
It is simply evidence that they haven't.
Grey - as I can’t see into the future, I can only go off their recent record.
Their three appointments since being here have required 0 compensation. Their next one looks likely to require 0 compensation.
Until the day they do pay another club for their manager, I will stand by the view that they won’t do so, based on their records to date.
But anyway, those points are moot because the owners won't pay compensation.
Unlike all the other owners who, when they have sacked a manager mid-term, and results are desperately needed to avoid relegation, manage to get a sexy new manager from another club. ;hmm
Mid term managerial changes in the Premier League 2017
Jan - Hull sack Phelan, they hire Silva who was unattached Feb - Leicester sack Ranieri, they promote his assistant Shakespeare Mar - Boro sack Karanka, they promote his assistant Agnew September - Palace sack De Boer, they hire Hodgson who was unattached October - Leicester sack Shakespeare, they hire Puel who was unattached
And presumably they had to pay Zola compensation after sacking him.
Luke, you can of course believe what you like, but that doesn't make it evidence.
I would say that the vast majority of PL appointments have not involved paying compensation, so it is hardly a common occurrence.
Until there are reliable stories about us seeking to appoint a manager currently engaged, but being put off by the cost of compensation, I'll carry on saying the claim is nonsense, in the same boat as 'When did you stop beating your wife?'
We’re 6 points off 8th. The season can still be a success. Let’s be honest, outside the top six, 7th is anybody’s who wants it. It’s only November and the busy Xmas/New Year period could see us transform our season. At the moment Burnley are 7th, Brighton are 9th and Watford are 10th. All have shown vastly better form than us but all are catchable if we get our act together.
We do need a change, because I have no confidence we will have a good end of year unlike last year when we scraped a few 1-0 wins against bottom 3 sides. We need someone with a new energy and who will get some basic organisation in our side. Because once we get those two things we will win games, because we have decent players, especially up the top end of the pitch. We just need someone to get the best out of them.
But anyway, those points are moot because the owners won't pay compensation.
Unlike all the other owners who, when they have sacked a manager mid-term, and results are desperately needed to avoid relegation, manage to get a sexy new manager from another club. ;hmm
Mid term managerial changes in the Premier League 2017
Jan - Hull sack Phelan, they hire Silva who was unattached Feb - Leicester sack Ranieri, they promote his assistant Shakespeare Mar - Boro sack Karanka, they promote his assistant Agnew September - Palace sack De Boer, they hire Hodgson who was unattached October - Leicester sack Shakespeare, they hire Puel who was unattached
Hull went down. Boro went down. Palace have 4 points. Puel was harshly sacked after finishing 8th and getting Southampton to a league cup final.
None of these were promised by the owners that we are going to the 'next level'
Moyes had a 28% win percentage at Real Sociedad. Relegated Sunderland with 28 defeats in 43 games.
Keep trying to justify the owners actions all you want. But they are full of 'rubbish' and have told lie after lie
Jan - Swansea hire Guidolin who was unattached (Monk was sacked in December) Mar - Newcastle sack McLaren, they hire Benitez who was unattached Mar - Villa sack Garde, they promote first team coach Black Oct - Swansea sack Guidolin, they hire Bradley from Le Harve (Ligue 2) Dec - Palace sack Pardew, they hire Allardyce who was unattached Dec - Swansea sack Bradley, they hire Clement, assistant manager at Bayern Munich
So in the last two years only one Premier League manager has been signed mid season from another club (two if you include Paul Clement) and few can be described as "sexy" (Rafa, maybe Silva and Puel)
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It is simply evidence that they haven't.
Which doesn't of course, address the fact that if you need someone quickly after you have sacked a manager, for example when you don't have a reasonable caretaker manager who can hold the fort for a few months, a replacement who is available quickly is preferable. The alternative - opening negotiations with someone at a good club, doing well, and persuading them to walk out mid-season to come to a club pretty much in crisis - is problematic.
(Yes, I know it might be easier t entice a working manager if you approached one at a small or struggling club, that's not doing well - they might jump at the chance to bail out .... and, erm, they'd be the sort of manager we would want to dig us out of a hole, yeah? ;puzzled )
But anyway, those points are moot because the owners won't pay compensation.
Unlike all the other owners who, when they have sacked a manager mid-term, and results are desperately needed to avoid relegation, manage to get a sexy new manager from another club. ;hmm
In that first season, he had a swagger about him and the team very much reflected that. He had a confident, refreshing, resilient manner and the team was very much in his image.
Since that horrendous start to last season and the Dimi situation, he seems to look like a man waiting for the chop every week. I’m not sure the players have stopped playing for him or don’t want him to turn it around, but maybe they look at him and think “are you up for this fight”, and their performances kind of reflect the managers demeanour.
If today is to be his last day, thanks for everything Slav and you have conducted yourself with intergerity and class since day one. I just think the job has got to steep for you.
Their three appointments since being here have required 0 compensation. Their next one looks likely to require 0 compensation.
Until the day they do pay another club for their manager, I will stand by the view that they won’t do so, based on their records to date.
Jan - Hull sack Phelan, they hire Silva who was unattached
Feb - Leicester sack Ranieri, they promote his assistant Shakespeare
Mar - Boro sack Karanka, they promote his assistant Agnew
September - Palace sack De Boer, they hire Hodgson who was unattached
October - Leicester sack Shakespeare, they hire Puel who was unattached
Luke, you can of course believe what you like, but that doesn't make it evidence.
I would say that the vast majority of PL appointments have not involved paying compensation, so it is hardly a common occurrence.
Until there are reliable stories about us seeking to appoint a manager currently engaged, but being put off by the cost of compensation, I'll carry on saying the claim is nonsense, in the same boat as 'When did you stop beating your wife?'
We do need a change, because I have no confidence we will have a good end of year unlike last year when we scraped a few 1-0 wins against bottom 3 sides. We need someone with a new energy and who will get some basic organisation in our side. Because once we get those two things we will win games, because we have decent players, especially up the top end of the pitch. We just need someone to get the best out of them.
(Thanks for doing the research for me.)
Boro went down.
Palace have 4 points.
Puel was harshly sacked after finishing 8th and getting Southampton to a league cup final.
None of these were promised by the owners that we are going to the 'next level'
Moyes had a 28% win percentage at Real Sociedad. Relegated Sunderland with 28 defeats in 43 games.
Keep trying to justify the owners actions all you want. But they are full of 'rubbish' and have told lie after lie
Jan - Swansea hire Guidolin who was unattached (Monk was sacked in December)
Mar - Newcastle sack McLaren, they hire Benitez who was unattached
Mar - Villa sack Garde, they promote first team coach Black
Oct - Swansea sack Guidolin, they hire Bradley from Le Harve (Ligue 2)
Dec - Palace sack Pardew, they hire Allardyce who was unattached
Dec - Swansea sack Bradley, they hire Clement, assistant manager at Bayern Munich
So in the last two years only one Premier League manager has been signed mid season from another club (two if you include Paul Clement) and few can be described as "sexy" (Rafa, maybe Silva and Puel) I think my record shows that I have been critical of the current owners since they took over and started to undermine Zola in the media.
I don't want the bloke, but to go on like he is Billy Blunder who once managed his son's Cubs 4th team is OTT, imo.
Were they a laughing stock for appointing Moyes at the time?
I don't remember that.
(Separate to the fact that the club had been in a tail-spin for a long time.)
Only time will tell I guess...
Me telling lies? Wow.
Not asking your opinion, asking if that was the perception. Didn't seem it to me.
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You constantly make assertions about the owners that either have no basis in fact, or which have been shown to be false.
You seem to be immune to facts when it comes to them.
- the seats would be the same distancedistance away from the pitch at the new stadium
- our fixtures would take priority over anything. (3 away games to start the season because of athletics)
- the seats would be claret + blue
- the retractable seating will be on the running track
Yet I'm the one who tells lies? Me, a fan?