Pre-season training camps and fixtures (West Ham)

1…5681011

Comments

  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    He is class, but also a little "clumsy" shall we say. I like him, like I used to like biffa bacon in the dandy.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Reid will now be banned for the season's opener right?

    No.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Both his and Ayew's goals were brilliant.

    Martinez and Rice seem to have emerged as genuine match day squad players which is a real positive of this pre-season, but the results have been far from encouraging.

    I'm trying not to worry too much about the results and the performances, and am conscious that we're missing Kouyate, Antonio, Lanzini and Carroll, but I would have liked to have seen some decent wins
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    But worrying/annoying that Bilic hasn't really looked to go with 3 at the back mostly preferring his 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formations

    Think we look much more solid with 3 at the back and even with the strong number of attacking mids we got doesn't matter if we can't Keep out goals
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Champo ;ok 3-5-2 certainly seemed to suit us at the back end of last season. Byram, Cresswell and Masuaku are natural wing-backs, but if we want to play Zabaleta then I think we have to do so in a flat back four.

    We have the players to play a number of formations so I'm not too concerned about how we've lined up in pre-season. I think our priority now should be not to get thumped by City on Friday, because that could affect our confidence ahead of United.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Pre-season results are utterly meaningless.

    Seriously, how motivated would you be to beat a lower league German team on a Tuesday afternoon?

    Old Trafford will be a little more inspiring and I for one can't wait.

    Hope Martinez and Rice stay on the fringes of the team.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Results may be meaningless, but the performances do count, IMO. Conceding three goals to a 4th tier German team is a little concerning, irrespective of where we are in pre-season.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    And just for comparison, Liverpool are playing in Germany on a Tuesday evening and are 2-0 up against Bayern.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    OCS,

    Performances don't count IMO, for the reason I've already said, which is that the motivation is at zero.

    How much you want to win a game makes an enormous difference.

    And as for Liverpool-Bayern, I think that only confirms my point. If they meet in the Champions League this season, Bayern will without doubt trounce them.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Hang on OCS.
    One minute 'Results may be meaningless, but the performances do count' then the next 'Liverpool are playing in Germany on a Tuesday evening and are 2-0 up'

    So what?
  • imagelostimagelost
    edited August 2017
    When I played any sport, I always wanted to win , friendlys as well
    You don't let let team your mates down
    So what's happening ?
    At least try
    Or a case Of Europey cup again?

  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    My point is Herb that we are at the same stage of pre-season as Liverpool, and whilst we struggled to a draw against a 4th tier German side, Liverpool are beating the countries best team.

    To me, that suggests that some teams can get motivated for pre-season games.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Pre season isn't all about fitness. It's about formation, tactics and ironing out mistakes so that when the season kicks off you're ready to go. We still seem to be making all the same mistakes we were making last season.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    It's pre season, end of imo.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited August 2017
    thornburyiron said:

    Pre season isn't all about fitness. It's about formation, tactics and ironing out mistakes so that when the season kicks off you're ready to go. We still seem to be making all the same mistakes we were making last season.

    Sorry, but I completely disagree with that.

    It's about fitness; that's all.

    We've had great pre-seasons and rubbish starts, and vicky verky.

    How can you sort out formation or tactics when fielding scratch sides?
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Completely agree with grey. Pre-season has got nothing to do with formation or tactics. It's about fitness and nothing else.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    So come the first game of the season he sits them down and says "right we are all fit so what are we going to do and who's going to do it" . Even our assistant manager said we must win this game. Fitness is a prime target but they've had 4 weeks and should be pretty fit now but he should be past putting out scratch sides now. We've got one more game before the season starts and so far he seems to have little idea as to what formation he should be using and personnel. An example is Hart, who he said was our number 1 but he's only played a game and a bit. Zabaleta is our number 1 right back but not playing 90 minutes.
    Our defence looked today as if they'd never met before for the most part.
    I hope it all clicks on 13th but I'm beginning to have doubts.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    If you want to read into pre-season performances, I guess that's up to you.

    But the facts show pre-season 'form' has no bearing on how the real season starts, or how the season goes as a whole.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    I agree somewhat with both sides of the argument

    Do I think preseason results should not be read too much into? Yes

    Do I think it's ONLY about fitness? No (especially this close to the season)

    While I don't think drawing against a 4th tier or whatever German side means that we are gonna struggle this year I do think there is a underlying problem with our defence that looks no closer to being solved than it was last season

    I mean that back 5 of Adrian, Zabaleta, Reid, Ogbonna and Cresswell (and fonte and Masuaka 2nd half) have all got decent minutes this preseason but they should not be conceeding 3 goals

    If we get smacked 6/7-0 against City I'd be interested to see those that think preseason is pointless if they are still as optimistic for this season
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    We are playing 60 mins 30 mins changing the team a lot I don't think we have fielded a team yet anything like what will walk out at old Trafford . Generally speaking results don't really matter in pre season usually the worse we are the better we start the season and vice versa from memory ( although my memory isn't what it used to be
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited August 2017
    We're lightweight in CM.

    That's been the way since Bilic arrived. Back four is always under the cosh.

    One of the most important positons to solve last summer was a DM. We still need to solve it. Obiang and Fernandes as a pairing is way too lightweight.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited August 2017
    OldCastleSwift said:

    My point is Herb that we are at the same stage of pre-season as Liverpool, and whilst we struggled to a draw against a 4th tier German side, Liverpool are beating the countries best team.

    To me, that suggests that some teams can get motivated for pre-season games.

    Some can, but it doesn't really matter in the great scheme of things.

    And rather than compare ourselves to Liverpool in that scenario, surely we are more like Bayern?

    Losing in pre-season to a lesser team. ;biggrin
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Pearces_Left_Foot said:

    We are playing 60 mins 30 mins changing the team a lot I don't think we have fielded a team yet anything like what will walk out at old Trafford

    Adrian
    Zabaleta Reid Ogbonna Cresswell
    Fernandes Obiang
    Snodgrass Ayew Arnoutovic
    Martinez

    I mean it's not full strength but with Kouyate and Antonio out I think only Hart, Noble and Hernandez are missing

    That's pretty much our back line going forward as well....probably shouldn't be conceeding so easily

  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    thornburyiron said:

    Even our assistant manager said we must win this game.

    He said that amongst, other things. You can't put too much weight on that comment if you want to be fair, because he also said but in the end it was only a training game
    thornburyiron said:


    Fitness is a prime target but they've had 4 weeks and should be pretty fit now but he should be past putting out scratch sides now.

    No, to get match fit they need to play competitive games. And to get 25 players all equally match fit to play 90 minutes, you have to mix and match your sides as you build up their match fitness.

    If you can think of any other way of doing it, I'm sure the PFA would like to know.... then all the Premier League managers could adopt your system instead of doing it the current way. ;biggrin
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    But how are you going to get them match fit for 90 minutes if they never play 90. It's ok getting 25 players fit but only 18 can be in a match squad so he should by now have a fairly good idea who that 18 will be. Granted there are injured players but they're mostly not going to be there for the 13th so try those that are for 90 or as close as can be.
    One more game before the season kicks off and if that goes pear shaped then it will be a nervy start considering we have three away games to start.
    We have though beaten Fulham so that could be an indicator of what to expect in 2018/19 if this season is a disaster. ;biggrin
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    thornburyiron said:

    But how are you going to get them match fit for 90 minutes if they never play 90. It's ok getting 25 players fit but only 18 can be in a match squad so he should by now have a fairly good idea who that 18 will be. Granted there are injured players but they're mostly not going to be there for the 13th so try those that are for 90 or as close as can be. ;biggrin

    I think that's what he's doing, tbh.


  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Hammerwombat said:

    He is class, but also a little "clumsy" shall we say. I like him, like I used to like biffa bacon in the dandy.

    I think you mean Bully Beef in The Dandy, Biffa Bacon was Viz!
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I'm not bothered by the pre-season results as we are often rubbish at them. A couple of seasons back we had a shocking pre-season incl an ignominious exit from Europe, and then we went and won at the Emirates first game
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited August 2017
    Moore_than

    I guess different teams do things differently.

    I've watched a good few of our pre-season games over the last few years, and don't recognise the scenario you suggest.

    If pre-season form/results affect confidence, how did we go out first game and beat Arsenal 0-2 a couple of seasons ago, after a miserable pre-season?
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    I don't think anybody's been bothered by the results per se but more by the overall level of performance which for the most part have been pretty poor. Levels of fitness will partially have had some impact but you can't suddenly switch form on when you feel like it otherwise teams wouldn't have bad runs.
    More than once the players or coaches have said that they expected these lesser teams to up their games against us as we are PL but we've only just scraped draws in most of them. Are they expecting the PL big guns to down their games because they're only playing us? Of course not, we have to up ours when we play them but we can't just say of course we will and do it.
    I agree Baracks about two seasons ago but we were equally poor last pre season and carried it through until roughly about March with the odd exception of three 1-0 scrappy wins.
Sign In or Register to comment.