May tried to make it all abut Brexit, but I think voters pretty much ignored that and voted on a wider range of national issues. Which is as it should be.
I think she massively misjudged the situation.
MrsGrey, Not only did she and I think it must be said her advisers badly misjudge the situation also I think they treated the core Tory voters with arrogance with some of their manifesto proposals. They came across as thinking they could do nothing wrong when infact they did very little right throughout the campaign. When I read of the large numbers of people registering to vote, which I think it's safe to assume were mostly young and would probably be more inclined to vote Labour I thought the result would not be the foregone conclusion the polls at the time suggested and in final voting percentage the parties ended up very close, quite an achievement by Corbyn and Labour from the huge gap between the two at the start of the Election Campaign. Interestedly Corbyn has emerged stronger as Labour leader and his position is now secure and hopefully all his MP's will not work with him. May on the other hand is badly damaged and looked at times to be clueless as to what to do, not the strong and stable leader she claims to be.
So it's not going to be a formal alliance, but a 'confidence and supply' agreement.
In other words, the Tories (sorry, I mean the Conservative and Unionist party ;doh ) will ask for the DUP to back them on specific issues, and the DUP will hold the Tories to ransom.
There are so many areas of conflict. And if the Tories give way on some issues, they will alienate their own back-benchers, so unless they impose a 3-line whip, they will be no better off. I genuinely can't see how this is going to last beyond 2017.
Still, I guess if you are Theresa May, you hope by the time it all goes pear-shaped, there's a new scapegoat you can blame it all on, and you can cling on to power by any means necessary.
The Tory Party rules are that if 15% of MPs - 48 - write to the 1922 committee saying they have no confidence in the leadership then candidates can mount a challenge
I think most people feel she is merely holding the door now whilst a new leader is chosen behind the scenes, the possible candidates are likely canvassing backing as we speak. The most obvious conclusion ever from that election is that the Tory party will never call an election again whilst she is leader and as another election is necessary to govern she has to go sooner or later. The problem is they are unsure of even winning the next one so may wait until they have rode out this storm and built a new fictional narrative about being strong and stable again.
I can see May being ousted as leader, but why do we think that there will be another election, does not the fixed term act require that 66% of MPs need to agree to hold another one before the 4 year term is up.
IMO the Tories surely can feel the breath of labour on their necks and would be very reluctant to agree.
I think there might be different rules if a no confidence vote is held???
Chicago, Yes I think she's toast as far as leading the Tories goes, she's damaged and has been shown to be a weak leader. They made a poor choice in her as leader after Cameron and I can't see her surviving more than a few more months.
Chicago - the Fixed Parliament Act made it a FIVE year term not four, the Tories now don't have to call an election until 2022.
In order to trigger another General Election you either need the two thirds or there have to be two "no confidence" votes in the space of 14 days and all that's needed is a simple majority. As the Tories (317) are unlikely to vote "no confidence" in themselves Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Greens (314) would need the DUP's support.
Or for DUP to abstain and the seven Sinn Fein MPs could actually take their seats in Westminster. Seeing as the papers kept harping on that Corbyn supported the IRA you'd think he might have a word with Gerry Adams and get his lot to turn up for once in their lives.
Ryanair flights from Belfast to London are cheap, they could fly over, vote and fly back again the next day. And if they brought sleeping bags they could kip in Corbyn's spare room.
As the Tories (317) are unlikely to vote "no confidence" in themselves Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Greens (314) would need the DUP's support.
Might you could get a few rebel Tories possibly voting against? Possibly? If they hate Brexit, or hate May, or if the govt offers something regressive to the DUP?
Of if the DUP feel they aren't getting what they want from the Tories, they might not back the govt...
And the Tory majority could shrink further if that South Thanet MP has to step down after the election expenses trial.
And if a sitting MP pops his or her clogs and the seat is lost in the subsequent bye-election.
And if one crosses the floor.
And if they elect a Tory speaker, who doesn't vote.......
George Osborne being interviewd on the telly: May’s negotiating position of 'no deal is better than a bad deal' is dead in the water. The DUP would never allow the UK to just walk away without a deal because that would result in a hard border going up between Northern Ireland and the Republic, which is unacceptable to the DUP.
I wonder if that is true (not the DUP position) but that a no deal in terms of trade would necessarily also mean no deal in terms of anything else. ;hmm
Still, the lack of a clear majority must surely weaken her negotiating position.
Mrs G - the only Tories that would want another election are those with very, very large majorities, the rest aren't going to rock the boat and risk losing their seats.
The current speaker is a Tory, I think the next one has to be Labour by tradition
Apparently the deal with the DUP isn't done and they're angry at May for saying it was.
Somehting about organising something in a brewery? ;lol
So I hear May will be the next England manager, seeing how she can successfully bring defeat from victory is an expert in shooting herself and shows continued disregard for her opposition ensuring a kick in the backside....
The knives must be out but I guess the problem for the tories is that BJ is the man waiting in the wings, we know he wants the job as he sold the whole country down the river by backing exit to get it....
I wonder if that is true (not the DUP position) but that a no deal in terms of trade would necessarily also mean no deal in terms of anything else. ;hmm
Still, the lack of a clear majority must surely weaken her negotiating position.
;hmm I thought Bercow was Labour? My mistake. (I'd leapt to that assumption after he rubbished Trump.)
No, Bercow (Con) followed Betty Boothroyd (Lab) who followed Bernard Wetherill (Con) who followed George Thomas (Lab) who followed Selwyn Lloyd (Con) who followed old uncle Tom Cobbley and All (Jesus Christ we're all going to die party).
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Theresa May warned of a coalition of chaos propped up by extremist terrorist sympathisers. She just didn't say she'd be leading it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business
http://www.oecd.org/eco/outlook/united-kingdom-economic-forecast-summary.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-40219398/election-2017-how-the-outcome-hit-the-pound
Woman has no morals and will do anything to cling to power.
DIE DIE DIE !
(Actually, reading about her views on various issues, I can't see why she is a Tory. Maybe she'll defect ;biggrin )
#endofdays#endofMaysNot only did she and I think it must be said her advisers badly misjudge the situation also I think they treated the core Tory voters with arrogance with some of their manifesto proposals. They came across as thinking they could do nothing wrong when infact they did very little right throughout the campaign. When I read of the large numbers of people registering to vote, which I think it's safe to assume were mostly young and would probably be more inclined to vote Labour I thought the result would not be the foregone conclusion the polls at the time suggested and in final voting percentage the parties ended up very close, quite an achievement by Corbyn and Labour from the huge gap between the two at the start of the Election Campaign.
Interestedly Corbyn has emerged stronger as Labour leader and his position is now secure and hopefully all his MP's will not work with him. May on the other hand is badly damaged and looked at times to be clueless as to what to do, not the strong and stable leader she claims to be.
In other words, the Tories (sorry, I mean the Conservative and Unionist party ;doh ) will ask for the DUP to back them on specific issues, and the DUP will hold the Tories to ransom.
There are so many areas of conflict. And if the Tories give way on some issues, they will alienate their own back-benchers, so unless they impose a 3-line whip, they will be no better off. I genuinely can't see how this is going to last beyond 2017.
Still, I guess if you are Theresa May, you hope by the time it all goes pear-shaped, there's a new scapegoat you can blame it all on, and you can cling on to power by any means necessary.
I think most people feel she is merely holding the door now whilst a new leader is chosen behind the scenes, the possible candidates are likely canvassing backing as we speak. The most obvious conclusion ever from that election is that the Tory party will never call an election again whilst she is leader and as another election is necessary to govern she has to go sooner or later. The problem is they are unsure of even winning the next one so may wait until they have rode out this storm and built a new fictional narrative about being strong and stable again.
IMO the Tories surely can feel the breath of labour on their necks and would be very reluctant to agree.
I think there might be different rules if a no confidence vote is held???
Yes I think she's toast as far as leading the Tories goes, she's damaged and has been shown to be a weak leader. They made a poor choice in her as leader after Cameron and I can't see her surviving more than a few more months.
In order to trigger another General Election you either need the two thirds or there have to be two "no confidence" votes in the space of 14 days and all that's needed is a simple majority. As the Tories (317) are unlikely to vote "no confidence" in themselves Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Greens (314) would need the DUP's support.
Or for DUP to abstain and the seven Sinn Fein MPs could actually take their seats in Westminster. Seeing as the papers kept harping on that Corbyn supported the IRA you'd think he might have a word with Gerry Adams and get his lot to turn up for once in their lives.
Ryanair flights from Belfast to London are cheap, they could fly over, vote and fly back again the next day. And if they brought sleeping bags they could kip in Corbyn's spare room.
Of if the DUP feel they aren't getting what they want from the Tories, they might not back the govt...
And the Tory majority could shrink further if that South Thanet MP has to step down after the election expenses trial.
And if a sitting MP pops his or her clogs and the seat is lost in the subsequent bye-election.
And if one crosses the floor.
And if they elect a Tory speaker, who doesn't vote.......
Can you see what I'm hoping for here? ;biggrin
George Osborne being interviewd on the telly: May’s negotiating position of 'no deal is better than a bad deal' is dead in the water. The DUP would never allow the UK to just walk away without a deal because that would result in a hard border going up between Northern Ireland and the Republic, which is unacceptable to the DUP.
I wonder if that is true (not the DUP position) but that a no deal in terms of trade would necessarily also mean no deal in terms of anything else. ;hmm
Still, the lack of a clear majority must surely weaken her negotiating position.
The current speaker is a Tory, I think the next one has to be Labour by tradition
Apparently the deal with the DUP isn't done and they're angry at May for saying it was.
Somehting about organising something in a brewery? ;lol
The knives must be out but I guess the problem for the tories is that BJ is the man waiting in the wings, we know he wants the job as he sold the whole country down the river by backing exit to get it....