Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;weep
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    MrsGrey said:

    And in more good news, Paul Nuttall has resigned. ;champagne

    At least he's got his Ph.D and the memory of his time with Tranmere Rovers to comfort him.
    Yeoldhammer said:

    Welcome back Nigel Farage

    After he's had a nice chat with the FBI......
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    If May had any decency... oh
  • stevesteve
    well that's another fine mess you seem to have got into ,really don't know how you do it over there .glad I came to Canada all those years ago saw the writing on the wall even then . ;biggrin
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    How much of last night was down to a backlash against the tories and how much down to being genuinely impressed with labour I wonder?
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    MrsGrey said:

    A real positive from all of this is an increased political engagement by the 'next generation' imo ;ok

    Which can only be a good thing for Labour ;ok
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    If the papers didn't constantly try to smear Corbyn's campaign i think the result may have been different. I think his campaign was great and he really reached out to the younger generation.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Support him or not Corbyn always comes across as a very decent human being.

    However, there are many who will be convinced that the numbers his team produce for the economy simply don't add up.

    I personally was extremely ;hmm about the proposal to hike the corporation tax to 26%. That would have been a major deterrent to any business wishing to carry out trade in the UK.

    Conversely the tories proposal to cut it to 17% is IMO too aggressive. There surely ought to have been a sensible middle ground on this and many issues.

    What we have ended up with polar extremes and a clear insight into exactly how divided this country is.

    As one Italian commentator put it, the UK is "ungovernable"
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    So May wants a coalition with the DUP - rather than being ruled from Brussels we are going to be ruled from Belfast.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Just image what could have been achieved had the Parliamentary Labour Party backed their leader - they would be in government this morning.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    It will not last, another election to take place by November imo.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    SuzanneClaret said:

    Just image what could have been achieved had the Parliamentary Labour Party backed their leader - they would be in government this morning.

    But they don't which makes the shadow chancellors quip that they can form a stable minority government pretty laughable IMO
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    baracks, I think that many (mainly on the right) of the party didn't back him primarily because they believed Labour was unelectable on a 'left wing' platform. Since the times they are a'changing, and he has pretty much proved them wrong, they are changing their view - a number have now come out and said they were wrong.
  • madridhammermadridhammer
    edited June 2017
    So,Corbyn gets crucified for his alleged links to Northern Irish terrorists.May now forms a government with the help of a party with links to Northern Irish terrorists.The hypocrisy is unbelievable & could backfire on her spectacularly.It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds because we are now talking about something that affects not just Britain but Ireland as well.Hard border anyone?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    And now we believe what politicians say?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    SuzanneClaret said:

    So May wants a coalition with the DUP - rather than being ruled from Brussels we are going to be ruled from Belfast.

    It will be interesting how this plays out ... the DUP's policies are both to the right (anti gay-marriage) and to the left (eg, pro triple-lock) of the Tories. I can't see an alliance really working in the long term.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Yes but mrs g you don't have look outside of your party to find deeply contrasting views on certain issues.

    If the dup and tories have hooked up so quickly I don't think there will be another election for the full 5 years even if May is replaced. The Tories certainly won't be in a hurry to call one.

    Let's see if Corbyn and labour can continue to build on last night - it's very important that they do. And Corbyn should be careful who he puts in place for senior posts. Diane Abbott is probably a fantastic constituency mp, however is flawed in a more prominent post
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Sinn Fein getting 7 seats gives the Tories a little more wiggle room as they refuse to take up their seats. This makes an effective house to 644 seats meaning 323 is the magic number leaving them 5 short of a majority.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    billybondsbeard said:

    Its speaks volumes to me that May is happy to get into bed with the DUP to form a government. They are after all the official wing of the loyalist paramilitaries who along with the IRA, killed 1000's in the Troubles. Yet Corbyn is an IRA sympathiser for speaking to Sinn Fein ???
    #doublestandards ;angry

    Politics is nothing but a game bbb

    The Tories would have known the hatred of the dup towards Corbyn and his shadow chancellor and have struck quickly to pounce on this and prevent labour from trying to create a minority government
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Yes but mrs g you don't have look outside of your party to find deeply contrasting views on certain issues.

    ;ok My point really was that there will be trade-offs - what will the DUP want from the Tories in return, if they agree to back them on various issues. Will the Tories give them everything they ask? The DUP will have an eye to their own agenda and their own 'constituency' so won't just sign off on everything they are asked to support.

    I'm not sure the alliance will hold up as long as you suggest it will.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    The result is IMO purely an anti-Brexit backlash and this was the only way to express it.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I don't agree NE

    Plenty of other issues such as austerity, the dementia tax etc.

  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    edited June 2017
    Baracks, I think those points just added to it. ;ok.
    Poorer economy = more austerity etc.
    The Brexit result has harmed the economy already and when it finally happens it'll be worse.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    baracks, I agree with you.

    May tried to make it all abut Brexit, but I think voters pretty much ignored that and voted on a wider range of national issues. Which is as it should be.

    I think she massively misjudged the situation.
  • madridhammermadridhammer
    And another thing,whatever side you are on re Brexit,getting into bed with the DUP has just made any settlement almost impossible. Bearing in mind the DUP position on not just Brexit but the Irish border,which of course is the EU border,the Taoiseach in Dublin will block their every move.You really couldn't make this up.Strong and stable or a coalition of chaos,anyone?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    edited June 2017
    NEoldiron said:


    The Brexit result has harmed the economy already and when it finally happens it'll be worse.

    Has it conclusively though - fx rates have struggled but the euro is still above the 1.1 it was at several years ago.

    The ftse is riding high

    Me personally I've not been busier since post brexit. It probably has nothing to do with brexit however painting a universally bleak picture already is little premature IMO
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    So you know what Brexit looks like NE? Please tell as no one else has a clue.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    On another front, what now for the queen of Scots??
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited June 2017
    If she bins Indeyref2 and goes back to marketing herself as a competent leader by actually dealing with Scotlands problems, she and the SNP will gain traction again.
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