Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

MrsGreyMrsGrey
edited June 2017 in General Chatter
With over 2.5k comments over 84 pages ( here http://www.whu606.com/discussion/9501/the-uk-is-out-new-pm-and-whither-now-for-article-50) the old thread has become a bit unwieldy.

So, as we reach 'trigger day' here's a new one.

On your marks, get set, go. ;run
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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Brexit: UK's most prominent ex-ministers unite against Theresa May's 'no deal' threat. As Article 50 is triggered, Michael Heseltine, Peter Mandelson and Vince Cable warn of catastrophic consequences.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-brexit-theresa-may-michael-heseltine-peter-mandelson-vince-cable-a7654896.html
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    A quick guide to the government's negotiating strategy:

    dornod
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited March 2017
    Trigger Day? Do we have to call everyone ''Dave''?

    Suze - Mandy warns that everything will be catastrophic unless we rigidly follow the doctrine of St Antony of Blair. Frankly if Mandy says it's bad it's probably good so chucking him in detracts from anything Tarzan and Sir Vincelot have to say
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Trigger Day? Do we have to call everyone ''Dave''?

    Suze - Mandy warns that everything will be catastrophic unless we rigidly follow the doctrine of St Antony of Blair.

    ;lol ;lol
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited March 2017
    Discussed this with a friend couple days ago. We both said the 50 billion bill would be the sticking point. It seems from Merkels comments this is exactly right. I can see this wrangling on for months. So long, that any negotiations aftee this is resolved will be so last minute that we end up just leaving after 2 years with no negotiations because the brexit bill sucked up all the time.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    There is an extension available.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2017
    But only if the Eu agree, herb.

    Posh - it's been pretty much acknowledged that jumping 'off the cliff' and leaving with no trade deal would be worse for the UK (as it would be defaulting to WTO terms).

    I mean, if it was otherwise(ie WTO terms are so great) why would they be bothering with trying to sort out a trade agreement within the 2 years anyway?

    Also I'm not really sure what you mean by a brexit bill. Can you be more precise? There has already been one 'brexit bill' and another is expected tomorrow.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    From today's announcements/interviews etc:

    Govt confirms there will be no way the UK can have access to the single market without also accepting free movement of people. So that idea is off the table.

  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I think Yeold is referring to the financial 'bill' expected of us when we leave.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Ah, I thought you were replying to posh. ;lol

    But the fact remains, an extension can be agreed, as you say. To deal with whatever is still unresolved ;ok
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Poshhammer ;nonono ;nonono
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    £50m? Take it and ;run
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I think you'll findd it's £50 billion. ;ok
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Posh, this:

    "Either way we hold quite a few cards hence why the EU have been talking so much about security today which Theresa May mentioned on numerous occasions within the Article 50 letter.....The EU are already on the back foot from day. Well done team UK 1"

    Unsubtle blackmail to link security and trade negotiation ;nonono
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited March 2017
    David Davis and Amber Rudd went on TV this morning to deny there was a threat of non-cooperation on security. Its all a bit confused, as usual......
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Posh, this might make it clearer:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-article-50-theresa-may-eu-angela-merkel-security-divorce-bill-a7657116.html
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    posh, by 'bill' I thought you meant the legislative instrument, not ££££

    ;lol
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2017
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    David Davis and Amber Rudd went on TV this morning to deny there was a threat of non-cooperation on security. Its all a bit confused, as usual......

    And then in the HoC he said that Parliament would be given on vote on whether to stay in the EEA or not (after leaving the EU).

    That has now been corrected in a statement by the Brexit department, which says (if not quite in these words) 'Oh, don't take any notice of him, he's not really sure what's going on. Bless.'
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    MrsGrey said:

    posh, by 'bill' I thought you meant the legislative instrument, not ££££

    ;lol

    Oh I thought it was the blokes name ;yercoat
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    I think it's reasonably fair to assume that the perpetrators are Brexiteers (or in their particular case Brexidiots).
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/article-50-trigger-online-hate-speech-brexit-process-begins-racism-researchers-matt-williams-cardiff-a7656666.html
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2017
    tbh

    I think they are just idiots.

    "There’s been lots of anti-Muslim sentiment and a spike in homophobic hate speech.”

    Why homophobic? Makes no sense. Which is kind of the point.

    Haters gonna hate.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    NE

    While it may be that the perpetrators were in favour of Brexit, that doesn't mean they represent a majority view.

    Some people are nuts, and often choose a handy political or religious fig-leaf to try to cover this madness.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    edited March 2017
    MrsG.
    Who have just coincidentally emerged from under their rocks and out of their caves following the Brexit referendum and the triggering of Article 50, but yes, idiots.

    I guess the other side of the coin in the event of a Remain victory would have been Remainers inviting any EU national (from mainland Europe) in for a cup of tea. ;biggrin
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Grey, I was very careful not to suggest that they represent a majority view.
    (1984 and all that)
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Not sure what your reference to 1984 is, unless you are having a swipe at being moderated earlier.

    Feel free not to post at all if you feel uncomfortable with how the site is run.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    NEoldiron said:

    MrsG.
    Who have just coincidentally emerged from under their rocks and out of their caves following the Brexit referendum and the triggering of Article 50, but yes, idiots.

    I think they've always been out from under their rocks.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2017
    I can't believe that's a serious question. Or if it is, is suggests you are completely out of touch with the issues. Which makes me wonder how you can be so pro-Brexit when you are so clueless about the debate.

    Or are you just on the wind up?

    If the former, you should do some research. If the latter, you should stop it.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    What, so Muslims can't be Europeans?

    Or are you saying all those who commit hate crime are really logical?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2017
    Poshhammer said:



    Could it be that we had terror attack in London last week?

    No. Let's stick to the facts.

    We had a violent attack.

    Until we know what his motives and aims were, it can't be classed as terrorism.

  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Grey you said:
    "Not sure what your reference to 1984 is, unless you are having a swipe at being moderated earlier."

    I had already accepted and forgotten "being moderated earlier" so not having a "swipe", if that's what you think.

    You also said in response to my earlier post:
    "While it may be that the perpetrators were in favour of Brexit, that doesn't mean they represent a majority view."

    When in fact I never said anything to suggest that the perpetrators represented a majority view (of Brexiteers).
    My reference to 1984 was to emphasise that I was being very careful as to what I said and which was obviously self-explanatory.

    And then you invite me to stop posting:
    "Feel free not to post at all if you feel uncomfortable with how the site is run"

    I really can't understand your train of thought.
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