January 2017 Transfer Speculation

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  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Friend who's a Brentford fan is furious about our behaviour on Hogan and have to say there's some truth. While there were other clubs involved, we were very public in our bidding. While the club might not have officially stated they wanted him, the mass of news reports stink of leaked information. http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/brentford-transfers-bilic-confirms-west-12531477

  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    I did listen to it but wondered why when they sat down and Bilic said no they didn't say "ok that's a no go" right at the very beginning as it seems as if they kept going in with bids virtually for the whole of January. If Bilic did say no from the outset why didn't they say so then.
    Surely they discussed targets at the start of the window not the end.
    It does seem a little that Callieri's fluke goal at Middlesbrough swayed Bilic as he wax young right up to the end of last wee.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited January 2017
    Outcast

    But is there any way to say where the leaks came from?

    What about Brentford doing it to drum up some competition and push up the price?

    Or his agent?

    Why would our club be the ones leaking it? What benefit is it to them?

    And the article says:

    NO bid was forthcoming, no fees had been agreed and there was minimal contact over the past three weeks
    Wouldn't that be a kind of hint that we weren't that keen?
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    iS tHe DeAdLiNe ElEvEn Pm?
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    TwistAndShout said:

    Just another excuse for them not to spend money.

    So Slav is a liar. Slav has no backbone, no self-esteem, and is happy to do and say whatever the DD's tell him to?

    That is the inevitable conclusion if you are right in what you think.

    Or, he's simply saying what he thinks, and you are reading it wrong.

    I think that he's saying what the board want him to say. Not because he's a liar or has no back bone but in the football world you have to be careful what you say as you can easily get the sack.
    If he comes out to the media and says 'i want this player, this player, this player, but the owners don't want to spend'. Who gets the sack?
    My opinion is the board are cheap
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    It does seem a tad bizarre because we could easily have been spending £20M on Zaza or was it always our intention, regardless of his form, to not play him enough to trigger the clause. Maybe if we had had to buy Zaza we would have needed to sell Payet to pay for him.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Win lose or draw I hope we manage to score in our next couple of games or we may just start to look a tad foolish for saying our strike force is sufficient. In about 30 games this season our strikers have hardly hit the net. Carroll and Antonio are the only ones to have scored more than one
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Right now I'd take Sturridge on loan if the fallback option to the fragile pair was Calleri

    But I guess Liverpool wouldn't be interested in anything but a straight sale
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    Outcast

    But is there any way to say where the leaks came from?

    What about Brentford doing it to drum up some competition and push up the price?

    Or his agent?

    Why would our club be the ones leaking it? What benefit is it to them?

    And the article says:


    NO bid was forthcoming, no fees had been agreed and there was minimal contact over the past three weeks
    Wouldn't that be a kind of hint that we weren't that keen?

    The potential benefit would be to unsettle him and possibly to eventually get a reduced deal when they cave because they have an unsettled player.

    I'm sure they did also leak some but this game has gone on throughout the whole window and a lot of it has clearly come from us because of what the information is - like the rumours of Bilic being the one who will decide. Didn't the Insider hint at Hogan before it was scrapped? If we were going to say we don't want him, why not earlier? It's not like we've brought in another striker - our available options have not changed.
  • FlorinRaducliousFlorinRaduclious
    Beautiful picture someone (AdamTungatt { @PulseHRAdam }) tweeted and sent into BBC deadline day live:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3fgWZgWQAEIQWU.jpg
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited January 2017
    Brookings, who cares how old they are if they improve the first XI.....

    Slaven, yes Slaven not the board, is happy with the squad at the momeny and that's all that matter

    We are competing on ONE front for the remainder of the season, yes one front and at the very best is 7th place which could get us Europa league football but do we really want it?

    Randy
    Byram Reid Fonte Cressy
    Noble Obiang
    Antonio Lanzini Snodgrass
    Carroll

    With Kouyate, Collins, Adrian, Ayew, Feghouli, Calleri, Arbeloa, Nordtveit and Fernandes not even involved plus Sakho and Masuaka to return

    If we hash out in the summer then this window could come back to bite us but can't we wait untill the summer before we write it off?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    TwistAndShout said:


    My opinion is the board are cheap

    Fair enough if that's your opinion.

    But it does seem rather to be ignoring the fact that we are 6th highest net spenders on transfers.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    thornburyiron said:

    It does seem a tad bizarre because we could easily have been spending £20M on Zaza or was it always our intention, regardless of his form, to not play him enough to trigger the clause. Maybe if we had had to buy Zaza we would have needed to sell Payet to pay for him.

    ;hmm It does make you wonder. I mean, if the Lacazatte bids were true, then we had £40m to spend. We spent £20m of that on Ayew and presumably the other £20m was being reserved for Zaza (had it worked out). So the fact that we didn't sign Zaza means we could afford Fonte and Snodgrass from that money, which in turn means the £25m from Payet is new money? ;hmm
  • HammerexHammerex
    edited January 2017
    Vorselaarhammer said:

    Slaven Bilic has been speaking at a press conference this morning and has opened up on West Ham's possible Deadline Day deals.

    Bilic on Scott Hogan:

    "We have really good strikers in our squad and that's why we won't have a Hogan deal. It's not a question of him."

    We only have one good striker, and that's A C WHEN he is fit.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    OCS
    Depends on how the various deals were structured. ;hmm

    As I said somewhere else, not buying Zaza doesn't necessarily mean Sully actually has a spare £20m in used notes stuffed under his mattress.

    It might have been one of those deals structured so that relatively little is paid up front, with the bulk of the money coming from future years' budgets. Plus some of these numbers being bandied about can be 'rising to' figures and might never be reached if certain conditions aren't met.

  • IronHerbIronHerb
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Right now I'd take Sturridge on loan if the fallback option to the fragile pair was Calleri

    But I guess Liverpool wouldn't be interested in anything but a straight sale

    He's not 'fragile' then? ;hmm
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Totally, but the odds on three fragile players being unavailable are probably less ;lol

    Apparently talksport pundit Micky Quinn reckons the Dave's are trying to do a deal for him today
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    oh not Sulky Sturridge... we only just got shot of Pouting Payet! ;hmm
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    If you don't know then get to know..

    PL DEAL SHEET EXPLAINED

    As in the previous window, Premier League clubs can complete deals by 1am, thanks to the Deal Sheet.

    Clubs and players must do the following to get any last-minute deals over the line...
    •Form must be submitted to Premier League 9pm – 11pm;

    •It must be submitted by the clubs involved and signed by the player;

    •Info required includes total fee, add-ons and player signature confirming they have agreed personal terms

    •If Premier League receive Deal Sheet by 11pm, clubs have until 1am (midnight for international deals) to legally complete
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    BREAKING NEWS

    Aston Villa have agreed a fee in the region of £15m for Brentford striker Scott Hogan, according to Sky sources
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Villa have agreed a deal with Brentford for Hogan and SSN stating that Bilic has said there'll be no signings at all today.

    Oh good.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Twist

    If Slav is saying what the board want him to, and it isn't true, he is lying.

    Simple.

    I don't think he is lying.

    I think he is the one who had the doubts about Hogan.

    I'm basing this on what he said, and on what Diddy Dee said.

    To suggest that Slav would go along with what he is told to keep his job safe is, imo, to suggest he has no backbone.

    I believe, and certainly hope, that if the DD's told him to do or say something he wasn't happy with, he would refuse, and walk if necessary.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Demba ba has joined besiktas on loan
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Can you imagine after signing snodgrass if we signed Ashley young - who would be next, Tom Daley?? ;hmm
  • SwissironSwissiron
    ahem
    ;ccole
  • alderzalderz
    Is Trev talking about us or City though
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Hang on, so on the one hand we have Bilic saying we have really good strikers at the club so don’t need Hogan, and on the other Sully saying that we were looking to bring in Demba Ba ;hmm

    Is it just me or is that completely contradictory? Either we need/want a striker or we don’t.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Not completely contradictory, if the sub-text of what Slav is saying is that he thinks Hogan's not very good.

    I think the message has always been 'we want players who can improve the 1st XI'.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    OCS

    Slav said:
    “We’re not looking for [any late deals]. We got Fonte who we really wanted, we got Snodgrass who we really wanted from day one, and we were maybe looking for a right-back. We couldn’t find someone who would improve our squad or first eleven and that’s why we didn’t get one. I’m very happy with the squad now.

    “For example Demba Ba; He’s a player who has proved himself in the Premier League and he’s a player who I managed at Besiktas.

    “I spoke to him on the phone a couple of weeks ago and the problem was that he got very badly injured and he told me he would be fit in March. That’s too late for us.
    Read more at http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2017/january/31-january/bilic-im-happy-my-squad#m24ukPSXgqDiEdmv.99

    Which I take to mean, he thought if we got Ba that would be an improvement, and if we got Hogan, it wouldn't.

    So, we were on the lookout for a striker if we could find one Slav was happy would improve us.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;whistle
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