The away fans are already complaining that they only get 2800 of the stipulated 3000 tickets as the design is such that segregation is not straight forward. If they make a larger gap there will be either ST holders shifted out or a further reduction in the away allocation which would probably be refused by the Premier League.
For every policeman in attendance within the stadium there is a cost which our landlords do not appear, at this stage, want to bear. What the club should do is take it to our landlord and tell them they are not fulfilling the lease in providing a safe and secure environment.
Of course all the idiots should be sitting, end of.
For every policeman police officer in attendance within the stadium there is a cost which our landlords do not appear, at this stage, want to bear. What the club should do is take it to our landlord and tell them they are not fulfilling the lease in providing a safe and secure environment.
Hopefully, that's what this means: We are currently undertaking an immediate full review with all stakeholders. This includes police, stadium landlord and operator LS185, who are responsible for appointing and managing stewards and security, to ensure we eradicate such incidents moving forward.
(PS, teensy 'fixed it for ya' in your original post ;wink )
Another 10 fans ejected and I believe banned from the stadium by the operators?
Looks like the corners next to BML/East were targeted Saturday and probably correct to do so, they were never standing areas before. Away fan segregation needs to be sorted, thank goodness we didn't play a big club in any of the opening games we got lucky there
Plenty of videos of altercations whether it be fans with stewards or fans on fans, lets hope they get it sorted soon
More fighting apparently erupted not only between rival fans, but Hammers on Hammers! No Police in ground so crowd control ledft to stewards. Club has been warned to get their house in order or be given notice to quit stadium....is there no segregation at the LOS?
Copied from duplicate thread.
Edit: I tried to find a link for the source of this story that West Ham has been officially warned they will be evicted, but the only report that came up (in Southend News) seems to have been deleted from the internet. Anybody got a source?
Half the problem is West Ham let fans break the rules for so long re standing , now they are being enforced people of complaining as they are used to it .
More fighting apparently erupted not only between rival fans, but Hammers on Hammers! No Police in ground so crowd control ledft to stewards. Club has been warned to get their house in order or be given notice to quit stadium....is there no segregation at the LOS?
Copied from duplicate thread.
Edit: I tried to find a link for the source of this story that West Ham has been officially warned they will be evicted, but the only report that came up (in Southend News) seems to have been deleted from the internet. Anybody got a source?
A renowned 'make it up as you go along' news outlet who claimed last week that the Dartford Tunnel would be closed for the foreseeable future as there was not enough oxygen in the tunnel to support life should someone get out of their car.
Aah! But the Dartford Tunnel was closed for several hours over the weekend due to a power cut. Safety concerns were the reason given. No working fans means no fresh air maybe?
All council tenants must abide by a strict code of conduct at all times, and a number of their neighbours have complained about fighting, swearing and Dick Van Dyke Mary Poppins-style chimney sweep dancing over the last few hours – this will not be tolerated.’
Half the problem is West Ham let fans break the rules for so long re standing , now they are being enforced people of complaining as they are used to it .
No it really isn't, every club has its section of standers and every club allows aways to stand.
What is wrong is putting people in the wrong parts of the ground and those said people acting like idiots thinking they can still stand in non recorgnised standing areas
What these morons don't seem to realise is that they're preventing the club expanding the capacity to 66,000. This season was meant to be 60,000 but was restricted to 57,000 and if the current situation continues I can see it being reduced further and further. We are currently becoming a laughing stock and fans of other clubs ridiculing us about our shiny new stadium that we are making an absolute mess of. Do these idiots stand when they're watching football on the tele at home?
Totally agree. I think we should all write letters to all the fans.
CALLING ALL WEST HAM FANS, YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU.
***Insert claret and blue poster here with man pointing finger***
Dear supporter,
Everyone who supports West Ham, loves the club, loves good football and loves the east end.
We have a great fan base, one of the best in the world. Whether people are fans of West Ham or not, everyone will admit, we are some of the most passionate fans in the world.
However it is our (the fans) time to really demonstrate our true love for the club. Our club needs us! Please don't take this to mean that we aren't already doing a great job, however this is one of those times we need to go further than just being a devoted fan. Wearing the shirt, buying the ticket and making noise doesn't make us great fans, after all it's what the average fan does. No, to really make us great fans is to go further. It is for example to clear the snow from a pitch before kick off so your team can play. It is to do something more for the club which is a true sacrifice to oneself.
Some people may not see this as a sacrifice, however for some I understand it is. Please please please for the sake of our club, come together. Trust our Chairmen, when they say they are trying to get safe standing introduced. Listen to the online posts when they are asking for us to sit until capacity is increased. Please stop trying to second guess them.
The owners of our club have done an incredible amount in a short space of time. Saved the club, moved ground, attracted a top manager with top players. Let's not berate them but offer our services. Are we the ones that should really be stopping our club from growing? Stop our club from becoming a footballing powerhouse? When we ask our players for more from the sidelines, we expect it. How can we expect them to give us more if we the real patrons of the club won't even do what is needed of us. How can anyone complain about a player being lazy when we wont even make the simple sacrifice that is being asked for us.
West Ham fans. Please think with your heart and your head. Let's get the 66,000 seater stadium, let's get the safe standing sections, let's trust our owners and for once let us be the ones truly delivering, for the benefit of our beloved club.
I'd like for us to demonstrate our love for this great club by sitting throughout our game against Accrington Stanley, standing only when welcoming the players and scoring. What a way to show the world we are united.
What these morons don't seem to realise is that they're preventing the club expanding the capacity to 66,000. This season was meant to be 60,000 but was restricted to 57,000 and if the current situation continues I can see it being reduced further and further. We are currently becoming a laughing stock and fans of other clubs ridiculing us about our shiny new stadium that we are making an absolute mess of. Do these idiots stand when they're watching football on the tele at home?
If it reduces any further, more than 2,000-3.000 then we really are in a mess, because we need around 54K to satisfy our own ST holders and the PL guidelines on aways.
The people who don't care about standing in front of someone and who are prepared to have a clear confrontation, don't seem like the type who would give a monkeys about 60K or 66K, they'll probably tell you that 9,000 is just for the Dave's to line their pockets.
I have no problem with fans standing at all, just like I believe every person who sits should be able to see the action. As long as they're in the right area's. (and yes before someone comes back with "But it's a all seater......")
Some of these other clubs fans are actually doing it right under our noses as well.
Sadly, I think that the appeal would fall on deaf (or should that be selfish) ears.
Izzy has hit the nail on the head, imo. (Not often I say that. ;wink )
The people who don't care about standing in front of someone and who are prepared to have a clear confrontation, don't seem like the type who would give a monkeys about 60K or 66K, they'll probably tell you that 9,000 is just for the Dave's to line their pockets.
Whilst this issue is now being talked about, the club does have to take a big lump of the responsibility for the situation. Safe Standing was something that was talked about at the SAB meetings and during consultation - I know it was because I raised it several times through the SAB and direct with the club, even suggesting the areas it could be allowed - I am sure others did as well.
The feedback was basically they had discussed it with the stadium owners and the Management Company etc. and were told 'not going to happen - it's and an all seat stadium so everyone sits'. For them to then pass that on to the fans and expect them to just go along with it was naïve in the extreme. Now they are making a big fuss of it because of the problems it is causing and trying to get safe/allowed standing - why not take them to task like this before it all kicked off, they must have known what would happen and warned the Owners/Management Company?....... ;hmm Maybe they did and are now saying 'told you so' or kept quite knowing what would happen would put it back on the agenda - would be interesting to see any minutes of those meetings/negotiations.
The other argument on our side is this:
Thinking of all the events that could be held at the stadium - Concerts, how many people sit at concerts, very few I think, every one I go to always ends up with almost everyone standing from as soon as the acts come on stage. Does the same rule apply to them?
Boxing - another good example of the crowd standing, same with some sections at Rugby matches, even Cricket - and if they have any of those American NFL rugby type games, well from what I have seen on the odd occasion I have accidently been subjected to it when channel hopping, very few seem to sit, in fact there seem to be 25% of the crowd wandering around at any given time.
So are we being made an example of or, as it is a stadium rule, will the stewards be ejecting people from all of those other events for standing?
Call me cynical, but I can just see our owners making a big thing about how they have negotiated allowable standing areas for our fans etc. etc..... If it happens, why not before the season started?
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For every policeman in attendance within the stadium there is a cost which our landlords do not appear, at this stage, want to bear. What the club should do is take it to our landlord and tell them they are not fulfilling the lease in providing a safe and secure environment.
Of course all the idiots should be sitting, end of.
We are currently undertaking an immediate full review with all stakeholders. This includes police, stadium landlord and operator LS185, who are responsible for appointing and managing stewards and security, to ensure we eradicate such incidents moving forward.
(PS, teensy 'fixed it for ya' in your original post ;wink )
Might not rate the source but it's worth reading. ;ok
Looks like the corners next to BML/East were targeted Saturday and probably correct to do so, they were never standing areas before. Away fan segregation needs to be sorted, thank goodness we didn't play a big club in any of the opening games we got lucky there
Plenty of videos of altercations whether it be fans with stewards or fans on fans, lets hope they get it sorted soon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37334911
Edit: I tried to find a link for the source of this story that West Ham has been officially warned they will be evicted, but the only report that came up (in Southend News) seems to have been deleted from the internet. Anybody got a source?
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/
;lol ;lol
What is wrong is putting people in the wrong parts of the ground and those said people acting like idiots thinking they can still stand in non recorgnised standing areas
We are currently becoming a laughing stock and fans of other clubs ridiculing us about our shiny new stadium that we are making an absolute mess of.
Do these idiots stand when they're watching football on the tele at home?
CALLING ALL WEST HAM FANS, YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU.
***Insert claret and blue poster here with man pointing finger***
Dear supporter,
Everyone who supports West Ham, loves the club, loves good football and loves the east end.
We have a great fan base, one of the best in the world. Whether people are fans of West Ham or not, everyone will admit, we are some of the most passionate fans in the world.
However it is our (the fans) time to really demonstrate our true love for the club. Our club needs us! Please don't take this to mean that we aren't already doing a great job, however this is one of those times we need to go further than just being a devoted fan. Wearing the shirt, buying the ticket and making noise doesn't make us great fans, after all it's what the average fan does. No, to really make us great fans is to go further. It is for example to clear the snow from a pitch before kick off so your team can play. It is to do something more for the club which is a true sacrifice to oneself.
Some people may not see this as a sacrifice, however for some I understand it is. Please please please for the sake of our club, come together. Trust our Chairmen, when they say they are trying to get safe standing introduced. Listen to the online posts when they are asking for us to sit until capacity is increased. Please stop trying to second guess them.
The owners of our club have done an incredible amount in a short space of time. Saved the club, moved ground, attracted a top manager with top players. Let's not berate them but offer our services. Are we the ones that should really be stopping our club from growing? Stop our club from becoming a footballing powerhouse? When we ask our players for more from the sidelines, we expect it. How can we expect them to give us more if we the real patrons of the club won't even do what is needed of us. How can anyone complain about a player being lazy when we wont even make the simple sacrifice that is being asked for us.
West Ham fans. Please think with your heart and your head. Let's get the 66,000 seater stadium, let's get the safe standing sections, let's trust our owners and for once let us be the ones truly delivering, for the benefit of our beloved club.
I'd like for us to demonstrate our love for this great club by sitting throughout our game against Accrington Stanley, standing only when welcoming the players and scoring. What a way to show the world we are united.
Sweepy
because in the main, you weren't annoying another fan behind you, therefore there was (rightly or wrongly) no complaint.
We all know what the written PL rules are.
The people who don't care about standing in front of someone and who are prepared to have a clear confrontation, don't seem like the type who would give a monkeys about 60K or 66K, they'll probably tell you that 9,000 is just for the Dave's to line their pockets.
I have no problem with fans standing at all, just like I believe every person who sits should be able to see the action. As long as they're in the right area's. (and yes before someone comes back with "But it's a all seater......")
Some of these other clubs fans are actually doing it right under our noses as well.
Sadly, I think that the appeal would fall on deaf (or should that be selfish) ears.
Izzy has hit the nail on the head, imo. (Not often I say that. ;wink )
Then you know what to do
;wink
And I have my principles.
;wink
The feedback was basically they had discussed it with the stadium owners and the Management Company etc. and were told 'not going to happen - it's and an all seat stadium so everyone sits'. For them to then pass that on to the fans and expect them to just go along with it was naïve in the extreme. Now they are making a big fuss of it because of the problems it is causing and trying to get safe/allowed standing - why not take them to task like this before it all kicked off, they must have known what would happen and warned the Owners/Management Company?....... ;hmm Maybe they did and are now saying 'told you so' or kept quite knowing what would happen would put it back on the agenda - would be interesting to see any minutes of those meetings/negotiations.
The other argument on our side is this:
Thinking of all the events that could be held at the stadium - Concerts, how many people sit at concerts, very few I think, every one I go to always ends up with almost everyone standing from as soon as the acts come on stage. Does the same rule apply to them?
Boxing - another good example of the crowd standing, same with some sections at Rugby matches, even Cricket - and if they have any of those American NFL rugby type games, well from what I have seen on the odd occasion I have accidently been subjected to it when channel hopping, very few seem to sit, in fact there seem to be 25% of the crowd wandering around at any given time.
So are we being made an example of or, as it is a stadium rule, will the stewards be ejecting people from all of those other events for standing?
Call me cynical, but I can just see our owners making a big thing about how they have negotiated allowable standing areas for our fans etc. etc..... If it happens, why not before the season started?