The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

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  • adecokeradecoker
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    I can certainly see the attraction in electing a self-aggrandising buffoon who makes up policy as he goes along

    I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I can only see the attraction in electing a charlatan who doesn't have any policies.

  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    ade

    ;nonono

    No policies?

    You, sir, are forgetting the Wall of Trump!
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    I can certainly see the attraction in electing a self-aggrandising buffoon who makes up policy as he goes along and changes his mind when it suits, who has demonstrated a vile attitude towards women, and who stokes the flames of racial/religious hatred, who has neither served in the forces or held public office, instead of a vastly experienced world politician.

    I mean, what could go wrong?

    Until I read the public office bit, I thought you were referring to Boris...
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  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Yep the bankers who gamble with other people's money
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Yeah, throw em all out on the street and let them starve
  • SwissironSwissiron
    but my understanding is that most of the banks have now paid back that money. Only RBS hasn't. And none of the banks in France have..
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    When they bailed out Lloyds and RBS the government took shares for the cash. They have sold back into the market around 75% of the Lloyds holding and will, at worse, break even on the bailout. They still
    own around 70% of RBS and can't sell into the market due to the depressed price, made worse by Brexit.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Not all shares have suffered as a result of Brexit - one look at the ftse 100 will tell you that - 6700 plus
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    No. but banks that serve the UK market were hit heavily. Anyway Brexit hasn't taken affect yet so
    let's wait and see
  • AdMeus_CaputFiliusAdMeus_CaputFilius
    edited July 2016


    Yet every story in the media where there is a hint of down turn of any sort (orders, house building, manufacturing etc.) is attributed to it, with them conveniently forgetting that it was already happening before the vote. Particularly manufacturing and house building - mind you in the house building it is only "affordable and Low Cost" (as they do not make the margins on them they need to) there are still plenty of 'luxury' flats and apartments being built - problem is they are not selling due to the astronomical prices. Any slow down in building is purely down to them (the Builders) slowing building down to stimulate demand. Like a lot of other sectors they have private investors who have lent out expecting a high return, the builders foolishly promising them such, and also expecting huge profits themselves.

    I even heard on the news again this week the BHS situation blamed on Brexit - we all know BHS was in trouble and administration long before the vote.

    There are a lot of people out there using Brexit as a smoke screen and making a mint - lets hope they get named and shamed (not holding my breath though).
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Who is making a mint then? And don't include the financial markets who always make a mint, especially when there is uncertainty.
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    Whilst others will always suck one
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Started a general news thread and moved some comments there:

    http://www.whu606.com/discussion/9786

    Can we keep this thread for Brexit related posts, ta.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    An update I think is due:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36962059
    Don't worry, it's just a silly phase we're going through (courtesy 10cc), it'll all come right in the end. Maybe.

    Meanwhile out West:
    http://www.westbriton.co.uk/why-are-you-still-here-we-voted-out-so-out-you-ing-go-brexit-race-hate-incidents-in-cornwall/story-29576748-detail/story.html


    Summary - Economy down, racism up
    Reasons to be cheerful - no, can't think of any at the mo'

    But this may (or may not) be better news
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36946565

  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Summary - Economy down, racism up

    Disagree. Racism is the same as it was but more on show than before.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Herb, a bit pedantic if I may say ;hmm
  • Tomw85Tomw85
    Would you not rather the racists are exposed for what they are then NE?
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    TW85 what are you on about? My remark that Herb was being pedantic referred to his saying that racism wasn't up but only the display of it. How do you go from that to your remark? ;hmm
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mrs-browns-boys-brexit_uk_57a0978fe4b0459aae5e735d

    I`d say the Brexit vote was pretty justified, can`t think of a much better reason myself....................
  • Tomw85Tomw85
    edited August 2016
    Sorry I took Herbs comment to mean that those who were racist before the referendum are still racist now, just more vocal about it so we know who they are.

    I don't think that since the result there are now more people who are racisit so my comment to you was then referring to the fact that I would rather know if my neighbour is/was a closest racist or not.

    If you have any stats to prove officially that racism has increased then by all means post them.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    edited August 2016
    TW85

    I also took Herb's comment to mean that those who were racist before the referendum are still racist now, just more vocal about it so we know who they are.

    Of course I should have said in my original post

    "Summary - Economy down, display of racism up"

    Just not quite as snappy.

    And if you have any stats to prove officially that racism has NOT increased then by all means post them.

  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited August 2016
    Tom, it sounds as though by saying ' I would rather know if my neighbour is/was a closest racist or not' you are saying it is a good thing that racists who previously kept it to themselves are now acting on their beliefs ... because that way we know who they are.

    Personally, I disagree with this for several reasons.

    1. I think racists SHOULD keep their horrible ideas to themselves.

    2. Under the scenario you refer to, the price of your 'knowledge' is that racist beliefs have been acted on - which means that somewhere, there is someone who has been subjected to a racist comment or action. I don't think that price is worth paying, frankly.


    (For the record, my opinion is that the vote hasn't created new racists, just encouraged existing ones.)
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Racism may or may not have increased. It may just be that the reporting of it has increased. Or that the reporting of the reporting has increased. ;hmm
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    And I`m with Tom. I would rather know if my neighbour was a racist/paedophile/train spotter etc etc. Would save me having to make small talk.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    The reporting of it (to police) definitely increased post-vote.

    Stats prove it. ;ok


    What is quite alarming is that the Met Police alone usually averages between 20 and 50 reports of hate crime a day. (It went up after the vote - I don't know if numbers have dropped back to their 'normal' levels as time has gone by.)

    The main factor in hate crimes is, according to official sources, race.

    And the police actually estimate that that 75% of race crimes are never reported (usually).
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    MadCap - I would rather know, yes, all things being equal. But not if that knowledge had to be gained by them committing a hate crime. ;ok
  • Tomw85Tomw85
    NE - I am not following you, merely offering a different perspective on things. You are free to continue to express your dismay at the referendum result, just as I am free to offer another view point on it. If my response to a few of your comments is exasperating to you then consider how exasperating it is to continually read your negative posts as well as most of the media out there.

    I am not able to prove that racism is down just as you are not able to prove it is up. I am just calling out sound bites as I thought that we had all had enough of them following the awful campaigning that was done. Maybe that is just me though...

    Mrs Grey, I fully understand your point and when put like that I would rather not have someone suffer for the result of knowing that someone is a racist. My point was more of in a general scenario and not broken down to the individual who will suffer as a result.

    However on other hand, if you offered someone who is unfortunate enough to suffer racist remarks/abuse if they would rather take a couple incidents and for the general public to rally round them and really show these bigots that it is not acceptable or tolerated or not suffer any direct incidents but always feel that there is an under current of ill feeling out there I would be interested to know what they would rather. If more people see racism and take a stand against it we may be able to make the world a better place. (I am not say that either are right or correct, but unfortunately the world we live in is not perfect)

    Madcap - what do you have against train spotters?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    . If more people see racism and take a stand against it we may be able to make the world a better place.
    I absolutely agree.

    Although (and referring back to the question you raise about whether victims would rather be victimised than not if a positive change could come out of it) since official estimates are that the huge majority of incidents aren't reported to the police, I'm not sure how much opprobrium actually results.

    A interesting question might be - why don't people report it. (I suspect the answers are many and varied. But probably all equally depressing.)
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