Another New Manager, Welcome Mr Potter

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  • Lukerz said:

    So, a lot has been said about GP:

    We are not far away & I am optimistic with Potter if we can generate funds to change the squad this summer.

    As always, that's the problem, isn't it? We're one month away from explanations of financial restrictions, and hints at "marquee signings" that turn out to be 1-year extensions of current squad members. I hope Potter is backed in the transfer market, but I'm a little apprehensive.
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwye8j93pkzo

    Some good quotes from Potter about actually improving the squad you have rather than focusing solely on signing new players
  • I'm more optimistic than I was this time last year

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwye8j93pkzo

    Some good quotes from Potter about actually improving the squad you have rather than focusing solely on signing new players

    I think that reads well for the board, a manager that isn't going to be seeking as much funds as possible all the time, but he will need to improve results his way to get everyone else on board. The Premiership can be quite unforgiving to someone who wants to develop something over time.

    "If you look back over a 12-month period up to that point, the team had conceded a lot of goals which is an indication that, maybe, something wasn't quite right on a cultural or foundation level.

    This bit worried me a bit as quite possibly it could be something on a cultural level? But it's probably more likely that the defenders are not as good as hoped.
  • edited August 17
    He has his work cut out. His success to date has been in clubs with low expectations. As soon as he moved to Chelsea, the expectation rose, he struggled. It’s not been plain sailing here.

    Low expectation allows you time, support & patience. High expectations allows you none of those.

    He has to change the culture, style of play, get wins, without having lots of money to do it. The players he has means he has decided a back 3/5 is the best, but no matter what side he puts out, there is an issue in one area of the 11. Yesterday, it was Bowen as a striker & the midfield. If he makes Bowen a right winger again, it will be the midfield. If he switches to a back 4, it will be the defence.

    I back him but it’s a tough gig to get right & avoid the sack.
  • Just looking at the fixture list, I don't see us even getting a point until October when we play Brentford. 😱
  • I agree, we should just apply for a relegation pass and get it out the way early.
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c36j8eeyl6eo


    You've probably all seen this, one way or another. (it's based on a Talksport interview)

    But just posting it anyway.

    Brady said - "West Ham is not a club that panics about its managers. We tend to stick with them, tend to support people, stick with them and see it through."

    So, for me, I think that's a good thing in principle. No knee-jerk reactions etc. BUT...BUT

    It's only a good thing if you think you made the right appointment in the first place, otherwise it's just stubbornly sticking by a bad decision.
  • Whilst Potter had the luxury of no pressure last season and a long time to devise his plan to improve us, the downside of that is he has already used up his honeymoon period and he will be expected to demonstrate his ability to meet the aim of improved results quickly this season.

    I like that he is a builder rather than a simple buyer but you do need a strong core to build on and we don't have that, so in my view his success will depend on making two good signings at midfield and centre back before the window closes.
  • edited August 17
    I don’t think we should be panicking after one game but equally there have been previous seasons where we’ve gone ‘it’ll get better’ or ‘37 games to go’ & it never does.

    The mentality needs to be that was not good enough for West Ham & we need to put it right Friday, without fail. Not ‘we have ages & it’s still early’.
  • I'm not panicking. 😎
  • I'm just drinking =)
  • steve said:

    I'm just drinking =)

    I can't even do that 😭😭😭
  • Since Saturday and the abysmal second half showing bookies have made Potter favourite at 5/2 to be first PL manager sacked.
  • Since Saturday and the abysmal second half showing bookies have made Potter favourite at 5/2 to be first PL manager sacked.

    They’ve also got Trump favourite to win the Nobel Peace Prize (the PR emails are keen to tell me. I don’t actually understand betting odds to check).
  • Bookies initially set odds but then they change depending on the size of bets placed

    Nobel Peace Prize doesn't get a lot of betting action and Trump's odds could easily be shortened by a single sizeable bet

    He's joint favourite at 250-1 with Yulia Navalnaya, the widow of Putin opponent Alexei Navalny who died in prison last year

    More likely her than him although just as likely someone we've never heard of
  • If the odds shorten then a lot of people are of the same opinion. Despite his board backing and the “he’s a great bloke and we don’t do quick sackings etc” comments Loppy went after only 6 months so I don’t think GP can rest on his laurels.
  • i don't think he's got any laurels to rest on tbh.
  • Is it true that he now has the lowest win ratio?
  • Is it true that he now has the lowest win ratio?

    I don't know, is it?
  • I think he’s won 5, drawn 5 and lost 10 of his first 20 league games so 25% win ratio so not good.
  • Zola 28% - Grant 31% so it appears he has atm.
  • edited August 18
    No denying, it’s bad. Many managers have come in & seen an instant & dramatic improvement in results. We basically went from being stuffed by 4/5 to being beaten by 1. Hardly groundbreaking.

    He can’t have too long to sort. He had a whole 6 months with no pressure. He’s had a whole pre-season. Yes, he hasn’t maybe got the best players but he knew that when he joined. He didn’t have the best players at his first three clubs but found ways of getting tunes out of them.
  • Moyes W4 D3 L10 first 17 games. 23.5%. Should have sacked him then?
  • IronHerb said:

    Moyes W4 D3 L10 first 17 games. 23.5%. Should have sacked him then?

    Have I missed something, but has anyone on here said he should be sacked. ( now ) or in a serious way🤔
  • Potter needs some more players of his choice. Then see where we are at the end of the season.
  • It’s a bit like hiring an electrician but only giving them a lawn mower. There’s no point in bringing someone in to change the style, transform the club, be a project builder, and then judge him on a period of time when 70% of the players aren’t able to do the thing he’s been brought in to get them to do. With time, it’ll come.
  • edited August 18
    There was not much to analyse from the Sunderland game from Potter & the coaching staffs view. We had a good first half with lots of the ball and nice passages of play. Maybe one or two too many sideways/backwards moves but overall it was mature and positive in an intimidating atmosphere.

    Second half it fell apart because of not doing the basics, defensively, & the atmosphere/adrenaline took care of the rest. Let's be honest, aside of their three goals, they only created one other chance all game (Hermansen save). We lost because two crosses came into our box & we didn't win the header - we didn't win many all game.

    That is simple for Potter to analyse in terms of why we didn't draw the game 0-0 (at worst), which would have been a decent result. We weren't outplayed, cut apart, overrun, slow, poor at passing etc. This was not boys against men. We lost two key headed duals.

    There was not much in it. 3-0 makes it seem like a battering, it wasn't in terms of the game itself, but Aguerd/AWB/Paqueta not winning headers (also the closing down of the cross) was what cost us any points.

    Potter won't lose sight of that. We, as fans, sensationalise a 3-0 'thrashing' to a side who has just come up (albeit the whole 11 was full of players who didn't play for them in the Champ last year). Potter will see it as two key moments of defensive concentration (game was over by the third) causing lots of good work in the first half & pre-season to be undone.

    They key is we don't repeat those errors Friday. That's Potters job. You always know a manager who is a dead-man walking, the sides continue to make the same errors every week. We haven't lost 3-0 once under him until Saturday. Hopefully it's a one-off & not a deterioration.

    Lobbing Mavro in for one of the back three would be a start. The rest is about mentality/concentration/intensity. Lots of those players ether have or don't.
  • 3-0 is a battering for me
  • edited August 18
    You know what I mean. It is on paper, not on the pitch (not on Saturday, anyway).

    This side is used to losing - they got thrashed under Lop & continued to lose under Potter (albeit narrowly).

    It's no surprise that we are weak, mentally, when we go 1-0 down & switch off during games. The confidence of the side is low. It has to be after a year of mainly losing, many of which were proper thrashings.
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