Another New Manager, Welcome Mr Potter

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  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    @Lukerz, Didn’t the lookouts on the Titanic not see the iceberg until it was too late to prevent the collision? Some passengers did report seeing it though.
  • LukerzLukerz
    No idea I wasn’t there
  • LukerzLukerz
    Leeds have gone 1-0 up, however if you watch that game, much more one-sided than our game Saturday, yet score would suggest a lot closer, that’s my point
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Fortunately neither was I Lukerz but IMHO too many people are ignoring what is happening. The ones who won’t sign a petition to try to make a point that they aren’t happy with current state of play so Mr Sullivan can carry on treating us as customers as Baroness Brady refers to us as.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Well I usually wait until 10 games to judge. I agree there was not a lot to get inspired over on Saturday & in the transfer window, but I’ll see where we are after 10 games.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Fortuneseeker said:

    Fortunately neither was I Lukerz but IMHO too many people are ignoring what is happening. The ones who won’t sign a petition to try to make a point that they aren’t happy with current state of play so Mr Sullivan can carry on treating us as customers as Baroness Brady refers to us as.

    Signing a petition is going to achieve absolutely nothing. Sullivan will sell the club when it suits him
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    I can’t understand this insane idea that Sullivan just takes all the money coming in and won’t spend it. Virtually each year we spend practically all the money we are allowed to.
    Customers is what those people who buy tickets and replica shirts actually are so I can’t see a problem there as football is a business.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Most clubs respect the people who paid hard earned cash to go to the matches & support their teams, that is why they are called supporters! Customers are the punters who obtain tickets via a ticket exchange, purchase merchandise from the club shop & take selfies in the middle of matches.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    I personally just think we have made some really poor signings over the last few seasons, I guess many fans of other clubs might say the same thing, but some of ours have been odd and somewhat expensive.
  • alderzalderz
    Under Sullivan’s ownership we’ve broken our transfer record time and again, spent hundreds of millions on players, been in the Premier League for over a decade, and won a European competition. I don’t like the guy, but it’s a stretch, IMO, to say he’s been a bad owner, and I’m not sure what any new owner will need to do to actually be deemed a success.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited August 19
    Last summer's spending was a disaster:

    Foderingham (free) - training keeper, never plays
    Guilherme (£18m) - one for the future, still doesn't play
    Kilman (£40m) - seemed solid on paper, hasn't impressed
    Summerville (£25m) - barely played due to injury & being second to Kudus
    Füllkrug (£27m) - 3 goals
    Rodríguez (free) - offers very little, slow for the PL
    Wan-Bissaka (£15m) - best signing of last summer
    Soler (loan) - didn't offer much, returned to parent club
    Todibo (loan to permanent for around £35m) - struggled for fitness/form all season

    Ferguson (signed on loan in Jan) - didn't contribute

    I mean that is around £125m (£160m if you include the permanent Todibo fee) of committed money (that didn't come out the bank all at once) on basically 'rubbish' in terms of their contribution to us since signing. Only AWB can be considered a success of any sorts.

    Sullivan provided the cash - the issue was 1) the manager they chose to spend it & 2) who decided on the players (Lop, Sully, Steidten?). Cash being provided is not an issue & never has been. Even this summer we've spent £20m on Diouf & £18m on Hermansen, with apparently no money.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    It’s all well and good saying we keep breaking our transfer record but what then happens to these signings the likes of Haller & Scamacca, the Scottish manager didn’t play to their strengths so we sold them at a loss? As Lukerz said who decides who we should sign, especially if they don’t fit the managers way of playing.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    When you say Sullivan provided the cash I guess you mean West Ham provided the cash for which Sullivan arranged borrowing?
  • LukerzLukerz
    Do you think he’s never spent any of his own cash in the 15 years of owning us?

    There is a cap on how much cash shareholders can inject, hence the struggles with PSR that some clubs face (see Newcastle & Villa).
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    We do have the worst opening day record of any Premier League club ever

    On the plus side we lost 2-0 at home to Newcastle on the opening day of 2020/21, ended up 6th and qualified for proper European football for the first time in 41 years
  • alderzalderz
    Fortuneseeker said:

    the Scottish manager

    Nice and respectful
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited August 19

  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Fortuneseeker said:

    It’s all well and good saying we keep breaking our transfer record but what then happens to these signings the likes of Haller & Scamacca, the Scottish manager didn’t play to their strengths so we sold them at a loss? As Lukerz said who decides who we should sign, especially if they don’t fit the managers way of playing.

    I’m interested to know what your expectations are when Sullivan does sell the club. Where are you expecting us to finish? How much are you expecting us to spend?
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    I’m interested to know what your expectations are when Sullivan does sell the club. Where are you expecting us to finish? How much are you expecting us to spend?

    Some on here thought Sullivan would cash in the moment the penalty clause in the Olympic Stadium leasing agreement expired

    That was two years ago and he's still here. He's said on numerous occasions he intends to leave his shares to his sons who were appointed to the board in 2021

    Nothing Sullivan has done or said gives me the impression he's remotely interested in selling. Rather than selling I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to buy out the Gold family or Kretinsky who was rumoured to be looking to sell his stake and invest elsewhere
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Even if a new owner came in, the PL rules/caps on spending would stay the same.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    @Lukerz, I understand that David Sullivan does loan the club money but it's also on a high interest rate. Oh yet another report that I can't substantiate but enough people in the media have said it is the case as with most things posted you don't have to believe it to be the case. I am foolish enough to believe that somethings put out into the public domain are actually correct.

    If people are honest have we progressed since the Euro years? We had the opportunity to build on that success but we haven't, why?

    With new owners I would expect us to regularly be finishing in the Top 10 and be winning domestic cups. Has moving from Upton Park brought about what many fans were expecting? Is David Sullivan really ambitious enough? We need to be finding a way to be able to compete on and off the pitch with the big six/7 or eight.

    God forbid our main shareholder takes even greater control of the club.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited August 19
    The reason we didn’t can be seen quite simply as losing a world class CM & captain. There is obviously more to it than that, but I’d argue it’s the most significant factor & outside the clubs control.

    Rice was here for those special years. We’ve not found anybody close to him since; his influence, leadership, athleticism, control, passing, dynamic movement, passion, calmness. Since he has left, we have gone from a European side to a mid-table side (9th, then 14th). No surprise, with him in midfield, we were in the top 6/7 & won a trophy. A genuinely world class midfielder can do that to you. See Kante & Leicester a few years ago.

    The money we got for him was badly reinvested (see last summer). That’s the second reason. I am not sure those two factors are solely down to DS.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Fortuneseeker said:

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    If people are honest have we progressed since the Euro years? We had the opportunity to build on that success but we haven't, why?

    With new owners I would expect us to regularly be finishing in the Top 10 and be winning domestic cups. Has moving from Upton Park brought about what many fans were expecting? Is David Sullivan really ambitious enough? We need to be finding a way to be able to compete on and off the pitch with the big six/7 or eight.

    Every club wants to be constantly improving and getting better. It’s not possible that every club can. And if they did, nothing would change anyway and the hierarchy would be exactly as it is. It’s sport.

    As for finishing regularly in the top 10 and winning domestic cups, we’ve won about 5 trophies in our entire history so I’m not sure why there’s an idea that we should be regularly winning them.

    Every club would love to be competing with the top 6 but most aren’t. And lots of them are more historically successful clubs than us. They are many clubs in the Premier League (and outside it) that feel they should be doing the same based on their history. What right do we have to expect that? What’s it based on?
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    MrsGrey said:

    Even if a new owner came in, the PL rules/caps on spending would stay the same.

    A new owner might invest in securing the stadium to improve it and also improve the training ground facilities or build an entirely new complex

    Such investment would almost exclusively require a state backed investor though for such projects.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Fortuneseeker said:



    Has moving from Upton Park brought about what many fans were expecting?

    You think the European seasons plus a trophy, and finishing 6th, 7th and 9th is below 'expectations'?

    I just really cannot fathom how you think new owners will make us likely to be regularly finishing top half and regularly winning domestic cups.

    ;shakeshead emoji
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    To put things in perspective, the only thing Arsenal has won, with all the talent at their disposal, is the FA Cup back in 2020. I'm not counting the Community Shield.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    BND, Arsenal feel regularly qualifying for the Champions League every season is success.
    Jorderz, How many more trophies than us had Chelsea & Manchester City won before their new owners took over?
    Look at the clubs who have been in the Premier League less time than us who based on last season appear to have gone past us - Forest, Villa, Newcastle, Brighton & Palace.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Fortuneseeker said:


    Jorderz, How many more trophies than us had Chelsea & Manchester City won before their new owners took over?
    Look at the clubs who have been in the Premier League less time than us who based on last season appear to have gone past us - Forest, Villa, Newcastle, Brighton & Palace.

    Both had won more than us.

    Forest and Villa have both won a lot more than us historically. Are you saying we are entitled to be above them?

    Only a few years ago, we were challenging for Champions League (alongside Leicester, now in the Championship for the second time since) and all of those clubs weren't there. Things change. Doesn't mean we're entitled to be above any of them for some weird reason.

    Wolves have historically won more than us. So have Everton, by a mile. So have Leeds. So have some teams who probably haven't been in the Premier League for 20 years.

    Just not sure where there's any argument we're entitled to be regularly top 10 and regularly winning trophies.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Jorderz, It’s not an argument it’s an opinion 👍. I am very well informed about the situation at Leicester City so know why they are in the mess they are. I am quite content to be a lone voice & be criticised by many but that won’t alter my views.
  • alderzalderz
    But based on seasons prior to that we had gone past those teams. Unless you’re one of the perpetually rich teams, progress isn’t linear. There’s a decent chance we overtake some or all of those teams in the next couple of years again. I just don’t think people have realistic definitions of success.
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