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Injuries galore.
Lack of squad depth.
Benhrama and Mavropanos mistakes.
Bristol wanted it more, but 2 or 3 very dirty players. Williams and the other one would have been off the pitch with VAR.
And the ref..... What was the point of him being there. Actually, I think he was awful.
City looked far more a PL team than we did although the physicality would surely have been punished if there’d been VAR.
Can’t get away from the fact though that we’ve been outplayed for 75% of the two matches which is embarrassing. Notwithstanding we had 5 first teamers missing our replacements should be better than they are and Mubama shows each time he comes on he’s not up to senior football yet by a long way.
Not sure why you are engaging with fans of a totally unrelated team. But, that's your choice. My reactions aren't affected by that.
City didn't look like a PL team imo.
It's one of those things. Not all that embarrassing. We gave them a goal from a disaster, then went down to 10 men from another. It would have been more desirable (and respectable) to get to the next round - this stage knock out is a disappointment.
But, we deal with the reality of our situation. No cloud-cuckoo land, please!
Also, anyone who previously argued for kids to play (how could it be worse / get a goalscorer on etc ) will you admit that perhaps the managerial team sees these guys in training and in youth matches and knows that they are not yet ready for PL starts or even Pl 30 mins.
It doesn’t help that I live just north of Bristol and have heard nothing but how City would beat us since the draw was made.
I agree City don’t look like a PL team and probably won’t become one for the foreseeable but tonight they looked more like one than we did. They usually managed more passes before giving the ball away than we did and created better chances than we did.
I’ve said many times before when people have clamoured for kids to be given a chance that development and PL levels are light years apart. In fact the championship and PL are quite a distance apart as most teams coming up find out. We send academy players out on loan to L1 and L2 teams but few of them end up playing regularly and few of those who move onto championship teams end up being moved on again.
I’m disappointed we went out at the 3rd round, more so because of who it was against, but in reality didn’t expect us to go on and win it but thought we may have a bit of a run as generally success breeds success.
Not winning the first game screwed up our “winter break” and as it’s likely to be a similar side on Sunday confidence may be lower than it otherwise may have been. To have to start with a front three tonight who haven’t scored a goal between them didn’t encourage optimism but I think what we saw should show people that the staff see these players in training and make a judgement as to what they offer and based on tonight the answer is not a lot
Pension off Cornet or show him off in a medical oddities section of the ground
Sell Benrahma and hope we get 15M for him (as in really hope)
Fornals for 10M
Johnson 10M. Ok 5M
Or just get rid in some fancy way(s) so we can bring in some of the players we've been linked with.
LW, Striker - Huga at PSG, Gnonto at the dirty Lids. Kilman at Wolves. Sort of anyone..
Let the Bristol City fans enjoy their few minutes of glory.
Champions of Europe - they'll never sing that 😆
Champions of the Second Division... and League 1. We'll never sing that, either.
No faffing with ' didn't see' or ' haven't watched it back '.
Cos, you know , we all saw it. It was a red.
As for the match we seemed to lack any creativity without our four best players so far this season,and the team fielded was probably of a championship standard. It's the second time Mavropanos has made a huge unpressed error which has led to a goal and I fear he will not be good enough ultimately. As for Benni, no professional footballer should be getting sent of for retaliation nowadays, lacks a brain that lad.
I didn't like Bristol City and they were always looking to leave something on the players and I think that demonstrates how VAR has improved the game regardless of decision making, just having it restrains teams like Bristol City as they would lose two or three players each week. They will not be anywhere near the Premier League anytime soon I fear and I didn't see any of their players I thought would be good for us.
But do think you have a situation that they themselves know they aren't going to play, even for 15 minutes when our usual starters are running on fumes. Moyes doesn't care, he only trusts the guys he trusts.
Now these back-up players have been sitting on the bench for the last 18-24 months, many on a good wage. It's not completely surprising they aren't really up to it when thrown in
Think we are in a really tricky situation whereby we need a huge clear-out of basically anyone not in the First XI but also don't have the funds to do so. Also if you're a player coming in, you must be a bit concerned that you won't get the Moyes bench treatment
Not upset going out, the cups lost a lot of magic for me and clearly this was a terrible team
But the performance of Ings, Cornet, Benrahma etc. Was woeful
All the time you see players say all they want to do is play football so when they get the chance why don’t they do just that.
You can partially excuse the young players as they are quite frankly out of their depth in the PL and need to be playing regular lower league football to get used to playing against men because at the moment it looks like under 14s playing under 16s or above.
That all said, I think it's one thing to be rusty and a bit off the pace, it's another to show a complete and utter ineptitude, which is what we're regularly seen from Ings, Benrahma, Cornet and others.
1. For the goal, yes it was a bad ball from Mavropanos, but it was also VERY obvious that he was going to try to play that pass. The striker anticipated it, but Fabianski was really slow to come out, and Zouma was ball watching. Even when the striker looked like he might get to the ball, Zouma was jogging back. It wasn't until the guy got around Fab that he sprinted. For me, the mistake by Mavropanos was obviously bad, but there were a slew of errors there - not even talking about the awful pass from Cornet when either Ings or Benrahma could have been played in.
2. The red card from Benrahma is absolutely ridiculous. I can only think that he thought he'd get away with it because of no VAR. That said, the ref 100% should have blown up for a foul by Emerson, which would have meant it never happened. Also, the incident with the guy basically starting on Cresswell shows why VAR is important. If VAR was in place he definitely gets sent off for swinging an arm at him.
Bringing in one or two players is fine, missing 6/7 will put pressure on any side, including Manchester City.
It's not just that the standard of the starting eleven has improved (which would in itself exaggerate the drop off in quality), but players have either been kept too long and age is taking its toll (Cresswell, Fabianski, Antonio, Ogbonna) or they genuinely appear to be playing worse than they were a year or two ago for non-age related reasons (Fornals, Benrahma). Add in the poor purchase of Ings who is just unsuitable for how we play, and the long term injury issues to Cornet and the back up players are a lot worse than they should be.