UK and World events and other things in the news (not Brexit)

grey_til_I_dye

A general thread.

MrsGrey

Yes, shocking. And what about those poor people in Baghdad and Kabul too. It is awful what they endure.


I don't agree that this latest incident in Germany shows 'the world has changed in the last 15 years'.

There are many examples of random acts of violence, people with psychiatric histories committing crimes, terrorist acts etc before 2000.

MunichHammer

Pards, this latest attack is just down the road from where I live. I only passed the area during my last run event. The attack in Munich is where my wife used to go to school. And the attack on the train ... I used to take the exact route last year to get home from work. This is really sick stuff.

SuzanneClaret

MunichHammer said:

Pards, this latest attack is just down the road from where I live. I only passed the area during my last run event. The attack in Munich is where my wife used to go to school. And the attack on the train ... I used to take the exact route last year to get home from work. This is really sick stuff.

;hug

baracks_a_hammer

Stay safe Munich Hammer ;ok

MunichHammer

Thanks folks

tbh I'm not that worried. Sure, it does touch me because I know the places involved and have been there often enough but If it does get me it's a case of wrong place, wrong time. The incident on Friday had nothing to do with the IS and you just can't regulate nutty.
The thing is ,though, as difficult as it may seem, we must not let them win and if we sit at home all the time, too scared to put a foot outside then they will have won. ;hug

MrsGrey

Well said!

;hug

MrsGrey

And Phil Green. grrrr

MrsGrey

Not that you are at greater risk from him, obviously. ;whome

Although ;hmm

OutcastLondoner

An article about the victims. Most of them were under 20. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/teen-had-been-planning-german-attack-for-a-year/2016/07/24/4092e1fc-51b0-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html

grey_til_I_dye

pardew

Ir does very little good to cherry-pick news items for bits that suit you.

Mr Herrmann said the man had been known to have tried to take his own life twice and had spent time in a psychiatric clinic.

"We don't know if this man planned on suicide or if he had the intention of killing others," he said.

This was a man who clearly had serious mental health issues, so was unlikely to have been thinking rationally.

And he was being deported to Bulgaria (not that that is any excuse for violence.)

ASLEFshrugged

The Munich shootings sound more like Columbine than ISIS, he used Facebook to lure other teenagers by offering free meals at the local McDonalds.

ASLEFshrugged

grey_til_I_dye said:

Ir does very little good to cherry-pick news items for bits that suit you.

The Sun, The Daily Mail and The Daily Express have been very successful doing precisely that.......

OutcastLondoner

ASLEFshrugged said:

The Munich shootings sound more like Columbine than ISIS, he used Facebook to lure other teenagers by offering free meals at the local McDonalds.

Apparently inspired by Breivik, he was deliberately targeting children of immigrants (3 with Turkish parents, 3 from Kosovo). And I think on the 5th anniversary of the Norway attack.

grey_til_I_dye

That would be

Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann

I think we can allow ourselves to imagine that he would be reasonably well-informed prior to speaking to the world's media.

If your original attention had simply been to pay respect to those killed, your further posts were unnecessary.

If you want to use the deaths as a way to push a political agenda, then the least you should be prepared for is people to possibly disagree with your interpretation.

MunichHammer

Sorry Grey, but Herrmann is usually one to speak before the facts are in.
They have now found a video on the bomber's mobile but priorto that there was no way he could have known it was religiously motivated.

grey_til_I_dye

Munich

Think we may be at cross-purposes.

At the time of my posting, he hadn't mentioned religious motivation.

Unless he was simply misinformed, Hermann said the man in question had known psychiatric issues and had attempted suicide twice.

Regardless of claimed motivation, I would think those factors were significant in what took place.

MunichHammer

He jumped to the religious purpose object yesterday evening. He was extremely fast saying he thought it was an islamist attack.

We were lying in bed yesterday evening wondering what was going on. We could hear the helicopters and the sirens and it went on for ages.

grey_til_I_dye

Munich

;ok

I guess people always look to make political capital out of this kind of thing.

My post was really to suggest that rather than pardew's suggested motivation of

ungrateful Syrian refugee

perhaps

young man with a known psychiatric history and previous suicide attempts

would give a clearer idea of what led to this tragic event.

MunichHammer

I get what you were aiming at, I was only pointing out the reliability of Bavarian politicians.

grey_til_I_dye

Unreliable?

You had me at 'politician'.

grey_til_I_dye

pardew

I struggle to understand what point you are trying to make.

Are you saying that the man involved did not have known psychiatric issues, and did not attempt suicide at least twice?

Can I ask how you know this if that is what you are saying?

thornburyiron

He also pledged allegiance to IS and attempted by his actions to kill or maim innocent people.

grey_til_I_dye

pardew

Frankly, there is little point in attempting to engage with you.

You simply choose to change the grounds under discussion at whatever point it suits you.

thornbury

I don't understand what difference you think that makes to the point that was initially under discussion.

David Ali Sonboly, in his actions also killed and maimed innocent people.

Was he a terrorist? Does it really matter what we call people prepared to kill other people?

Is it more important to find labels or reasons?

HappyHammer_ish

The most shocking thing about these attacks, is the fact there not actually that shocking anymore... It's like it's becoming the norm to have something like this happen every week...

Very sad times...

Makes you wonder how bad Sadam Husain and Gadaffi actually were for the world... ;hmm

Dodger58

An excellent Novel by Frederick Forsyth called 'The Fist of God' effectively said we left Sadam Hussain remain after the first Gulf War on the basis of 'better the devil you know'. Only a story of course, but many of FF's novels are woven around fact.

grey_til_I_dye

Dodger

Well, the Americans should have known him pretty well.

http://www.truth-out.org/archive/item/43682:when-hussein-was-our-ally

IronHerb

So sane people strap bombs to themselves? ;doh

grey_til_I_dye

Herb

I rather think some do, at least within the legal definition of sane.

IronHerb

That's Catch 22. ;biggrin

ASLEFshrugged

He'd attempted to kill himself twice and had received psychiatric care so he was obviously suffering from mental problems. He'd been in Germany for two years, had been turned down for asylum and was facing being deported.

Rather than simply attempt suicide again he straps a bomb to himself and blows himself up in a crowd. He claims allegiance to ISIS, he's front page news and people are calling him a terrorist rather than just another sad mental illness statistic that no one would have heard about.