Board/Fan Relationship

ASLEFshrugged

MrsGrey said:

Isn't that because (as I understand it) it WAS going to be retractable at first. But the firm doing it went bust. After that, a new arrangement was made, and we have 'removable' seating.

But people still call it retractable, even though it isn't.

According to the Moore Stephens Report Page 128- 131 the "baseline scheme" was for retractable seating powered by hydraulics but these systems are prone to faults if not used regularly (i.e. more twice a year) so they require a high level of maintenance. When they tendered the contract with a budget of £28m only two bids were received, neither of which was for a powered system (possibly because £28m was never going to be enough for a powered system)

ESG offered a system similar to the baseline without the electro-mechanical, hydraulic system however that would require a large number of specialist workers and it seemed unlikely that the team could "retained long term when there are only two (separated) weeks of work per year on offer."

So instead they went for the Alto bid with removable seating which didn't need the specialised workers. And then Alto bust before the seating was fully installed.

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/olympic-stadium-review.pdf

MrsGrey

Cheers, aslef. I had conflated the two events ;ok

MrsGrey

outcast, yes.

But while a retractable system might have been 'nicer', it wouldn't have brought the seats any closer to the pitch than they are at present.


Interestingly (well, I thought it interesting) much of the secondary reporting of the recent 'Karren Brady letter' is saying that she has promised to bring the seats closer to the pitch. Which is just not true.

OutcastLondoner

MrsGrey said:

outcast, yes.

But while a retractable system might have been 'nicer', it wouldn't have brought the seats any closer to the pitch than they are at present.


Interestingly (well, I thought it interesting) much of the secondary reporting of the recent 'Karren Brady letter' is saying that she has promised to bring the seats closer to the pitch. Which is just not true.

Do you know that for sure, that they wouldn’t have been closer? There could be some mechanical difference between the systems. (Fair enough, if they have said it’s the same distance.)

MrsGrey

Only based on what was in that letter - says it wouldn't have mattered in terms of distance.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Retractable made no difference to how far away the seats were

For gold to now say that they were mislead is absolutely staggering tbh

Either they didn’t do their due diligence or they knew and spun it. Imo

Yeoldhammer

they said the seats would be as close as the Boleyn they quite simply aren't. Now they can't or (won't) do it because of costs.

MrsGrey

Yeoldhammer said:

they said the seats would be as close as the Boleyn

I don't remember them saying that ;hmm

OutcastLondoner

The mock ups they showed were definitely misleading. Of course they’re not going to show exactly what it would look like but it was so far off the reality.

ASLEFshrugged

Also in the Moore Stephens Report (Page 112) the minutes of an LLDC Stadium Committee meeting from 23 August 2012 says

WHU has asked for all seats, including the demountable/retractable, seats to be fully covered by the roof of the Stadium and that the front row of seats to be no more than 16.9 metres from the edge of the playing surface along all four sides of the pitch.

16.9m is 18.5 yards or roughly the same length as two double decker buses parked end to end which sounds to me a bit more than the distance between the pitch and the stands at the Boleyn.

MrsGrey said:

Yeoldhammer said:

they said the seats would be as close as the Boleyn

I don't remember them saying that ;hmm

I remember a video of Gold walking beside the West Stand saying it

OldCastleSwift

https://twitter.com/SoccerAM/status/972424214299869184

Soccer AM had a couple of Hammers on today, whose views echo quite a few on here.

grey_til_I_dye

Thought that Tom D spoke an awful lot of tosh, tbh.

OldCastleSwift

Which bits on particular Grey?

I thought the Trump comment was a bit flippant at first, but I can kind of see where he's coming from. IMO, both Trump and Sully are out of their depth in their respective fields, both are unprofessional, both crave media attention and both seem to be unpopular amongst a large number of their electorate/fans but neither has any intention of going anywhere.

I respect that you think it's tosh, but if it is there's a lot of tosh being spoken by a lot of people out there.

grey_til_I_dye

OCS

. What was the point of getting shot of Bilic if nothing changed

. When Noble goes that will be the end of a great club

. The only positive from the season is the fans

Just felt it was ill-thought out 'crowd-pleaser' nonsense.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

and there you go, don’t agree with pitch invaders and some plum trying to mimick the bond scheme corner flag moment

But they’ve brought this all on themselves, so many half truths a bodged move, flawed +2 scheme, stadium that isn’t fit for purpose, giving up the stewarding as part of a deal of the century, taking interest payments out of the club in the season you spend nish (net)......

Perhaps now they’ll understand this isn’t just a small pocket of fans, it’s many many

OldCastleSwift

Yeah, not sure there's any way back for the 'relationship' now...

madridhammer

I've made my views on this clear earlier on in the thread so I'm not going to add any further criticism. I don't like them but they don't deserve to be escorted out of the ground for their own safety. To go back to the original topic of the thread, Board/Fan Relationship, it's toxic & I can't see it getting better. I think it would be in everyone's interest including their own if they put the club up for sale. I say this with a heavy heart, today has been a very bad day to be a West Ham fan.

grey_til_I_dye

But they’ve brought this all on themselves,

Totally disagree,

There is no excuse for the behaviour of some of the fans today, none whatsoever, imo.

I'd be very disappointed if they let themselves be influenced by a cretinous minority.

Note to users:

the actions of the 'fans' is mostly being discussed in the match thread.

MrsGrey

No excuses for that behaviour. No justification. None.
Disgusting.

buffybegood

No excuse for the fans on the pitch. Every right for the chanting to the board, imo.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

grey_til_I_dye said:

But they’ve brought this all on themselves,

Totally disagree,

There is no excuse for the behaviour of some of the fans today, none whatsoever, imo.

I'd be very disappointed if they let themselves be influenced by a cretinous minority.

Note to users:

the actions of the 'fans' is mostly being discussed in the match thread.

As I said don’t agree with the pitch invaders

This isn’t a minority anymore it’s growing into an unhappy majority imo and I would think they’re going to be pretty concerned about the events of today off and on the pitch

grey_til_I_dye

I'm referring to the fans who went on the pitch, and anyone who thinks what they did was a good thing.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Of course don’t feel that is a good thing

SuzanneClaret

Those men who ran onto the pitch.
Those men who gathered under the directors box to scream obscenities.
Those men who behaved so bad that the Burnley subs had to resuce children! Children!
Those men who reduced a hard faced 50 year old to tears are scum.

There is no excuse for what they did.

None.

MunichHammer

Some people think that they can stage a coup and install the plebs to run the club.
The Daves own the club, they can do whatever they want with it. Like it or not.
What happened today was pretty much the same thing as trying to break somebody else's toy because he said something you don't like.

Please don't let those morons win! ;pray

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

"The only time you would sell is in the event that you believed a buyer could do a better job than you but at the moment we are doing a decent job."
- David Gold, August 2017

whupathman

I was half expecting Suze to sort them out with a stiletto, I think the board should get suze in to sort them, she scares me

Cuz1

Please for one minute believe me the events today have appalled me but not shocked me with society as it his but I do believe our board will never turn this hatred of some now so maybe it’s time to sell up not because of today but for the future of the club gold loves

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

All these fans who want the owners gone - who have they got lined up to replace them? I'm finding it extremely bizarre that this minority of fans are trying to drive the owners out when nobody else is even trying to buy the club.

Is it regime change at all costs? Our owners might be far from perfect, but if the disgruntled fans think they couldn't sell to worse, think again. There are plenty of owners across the leagues who spend no money and who have dragged clubs all the way down the leagues.

And interestingly these 'fans' behaving as they did today are so ignorant that they can't recognise how that kind of behaviour is going to make West Ham look in terms of attracting a different owner.

Why would any 'decent' wealthy owner want to take control of West Ham when sections of its fans act like animals, treat their fellow fans with contempt, attack their own players and hound out the current board when things aren't done exactly as they want them to be done? What a proposition that is for somebody looking to spend their millions.

Clueless, reckless and, while berating the board for perceived selfishness, completely oblivious to the implications of their own behaviour in terms of making progress, either with this set of owners or with presenting West Ham as a worthwhile investment for anybody else.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Perhaps they can just “change” for the better and that would be enough?

But do those other owners promise this and that and to such a degree?

They take out 12m in interest and loans and the yank puts in 9.5m interest free, perhaps he is the one