Cresswell vs Masuaku - the dilemma

edited June 2017 in Men's First Team
So I've seen a lot of interesting opinions on this subject, and how our reliable LB of two seasons seems to now be second choice for many West Ham fans, and this view has grown over the past six months. Not just on here, other forums, social media, people I've spoken to and so on. I can't understand why Masuaku has suddenly become the preferred LB option.

So, what do we think? Wanted to gather some views from you ladies and gents in one thread.

As it stands, who do you prefer at LB and why? Who goes into the season as our first choice and is Cresserz getting a hard time for a below par season, when let's face it he wasn't the only culprit. I think he was one of the best attacking wing-backs in the league the first two seasons after he signed.

Masuaku looks to have promise, but has only played a handful of games?

For me, Cresserz is my main LB.

The big dilemma though is, whichever one is not first choice, is surely too good to be a substitute, when they could be a starter elsewhere? So we are likely at some point to lose one. Which one would you rather lose?
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  • I prefer Masuaku, but if Cresswell can reclaim his form of his first 2 seasons then its a toss up

    I just like Masuakus confidence with the ball.....He has very quick feet and has the confidence to run past players. Yes he can sometimes lose the ball but he can really bring the ball forward. I also think that hes good defensively, he only had 1 bad game imo which was so bad that he got a bad rep but he has been class. He's only played a handful of games but he was player of the match a couple of those games. He's also younger and responded from his injury better than Cresswells. His big weakness is delivery though he doesn't have great crossing ability.

    Cresswell, imo, is the player who regressed the most! He just looks a completely different player. He looks scared of any 50/50 challenges and gets beaten for pace far too often. He was never quick quick but he's obviously lost a step and leaves much bigger holes behind him. Where he does exceed Masuaku is his delivery which historically been very good.

    I he can get a good pre-season and return his confidence and pace he may surpass Masuaku but for me its Masuaku who is 1st choice

    Good problem to have
  • I certainly wouldn't want to write Cressers off after a difficult season. However, if he were to struggle with his form again this season, Arthur has easily convinced me that he is good enough.

    As Champo says, nice to have such a problem.
  • To me, Cresswell is first choice by some way ;ok
  • edited June 2017
    Alderz ;ok

    My worry is if we go with Masuaku, we will lose Cresswell to another club. He is too good a LB and still of an age where he has potential to still develop.

    Tricky. Wonder if Masuaku could be merged into a LW?
  • I see Masuaku as a wing back or wide left midfield player. I think Cresswell is a better defender than Masuaku.
  • Cresswell was poor last season. He barely made a forward run or cross and was reluctant to tackle. Arthur, apart from the West Brom game, showed more pace, the ability to cross and tackle. If Cresswell wants to sulk and look for a move then so be it. Don't want that kind of player at my club.
  • Use the pre-season games to see who looks the sharper, fitter and more incisive of the two. Whoever it is should then start the season and then barring injury/suspension the one in form should keep the shirt.
  • edited June 2017
    Herb - Cress certainly isn't the sort to sulk. Just think it would be a shame to lose him based on one season where he's been a 5/10 as opposed to an 8.
  • Don't think anyone is suggesting to lose him (although he is one of our more sellable assets) just that he needs to recover that old form if he wants to displace Masuaku

    As Baracks said they both have preseason to impress and they should battle it out for the starting XI spot

    It's nice to have 2 players of good calibre fighting for a single spot
  • Luke, you're the one saying we may lose him.

    Last season Payet improved his game but the season before he was average defensively, imo, and certainly not an 8/10.
  • edited June 2017
    I know.

    But we will lose him IMO if he doesn't play, which is a shame as an in form Cresswell is a massive asset. Cresswell isn't a sub. He could probably play as LFC's LB ahead of Milner, especially when his form returns. They are both too young to be sub players for any length of time. If Masuaku is deemed the back-up, he will want more, likewise Cresswell. They aren't like Ginge, mid 30s and happy to be patient.

    He's an England international. Masuaku is a talent.

    I appreciate at the minute he's not great but I've seen nothing from Masuaku other than a bit of pace and a few nutmegs to suggest he's the better option, yet many opinions are that he is.
  • Cresswell hasn't been out of form for a minute....he's been out of form for the hole season

    If Cresswell cannot displace Masuaka this season then by that definition he is a sub as he is the 2nd best player in his position......and if he is our 2nd choice he isn't going to a top club unless as a backup

    It's all hypothetical atm anyways I don't think anyone right now is interested in Cresswell (and masuaku rumours have died down)
  • edited June 2017
    Champo - agree. My point is more what has Masuaku done to be deemed the better choice right now.

    Cresswell has been poor, but has Masuaku been markedly better?

    I just mentioned the transfer issue as another thing to consider.

    I just don't think Masuaku has been that great either. Not seen any 'wow' displays from him and he's only started 11 PL games in any case.

    So we've got two LB's playing mediocrely at best.
  • I guess it comes down to opinion Luke

    I think he's been class when I've seen him, even at the beginning of the season

    Makes it even more impressive as he is only 23, came into a team that was a bit all over the place and out of form and he himself had a pretty bad injury that ruled him out for over 2 months

    Right now i'd probably rank left back as the position that needs improvement the least......although i'd love for us to get Sessengon from Fulham feel he is gonna be a star
  • Could we play both, we have a shortage on the left wing at the moment.
  • Could we play both, we have a shortage on the left wing at the moment.

    A genuine question.

    Adrian
    Zabaleta - Reid - Ogbonna - Cresswell
    Obiang - Kouyate
    Antonio - Lanzini - Masuaku
    Ayew

    As it stands.

    Certainly gives us pace.
  • Slav has said he likes to have an English core and Cresswell is part of it, so I think he'll prefer him for that reason.

    As a sub, Masuaku can at least get games as a winger. He was very good at the end of the season.
  • From the first match that Arthur played for us early last season I wondered how's Cresswell going to get his place back, this guy we've unearthed is very good. Masuaku is faster and more assured on the ball and adds a bit of excitement to the game for me. Cresswell did come back in the end but I don't think he has earned that place. If both are fit then its Arthur all day long.
    A few people here have mentioned that Cresswell seems to have lost his bottle and that is certainly my impression of most of his performances last season when he was always pulling out of tackles. That may be the effect of injury on a player who was previously an ever present in the team untouched by injury while those around him were dropping like flies.
  • I would definitely try Cresswell at left back and Masuaku left wing
  • To me, Cresswell has a far, far better delivery than Arthur. I think Cresswell is a better defender too. Arthur is quicker and adds that attacking element to the side, but I don't think he brings enough to displace Cresswell, IMO.

    What is good, is that we have two players capable of challenging one another. It's very good for the side to have players who can compete for the shirt.
  • Only problem with that is Masuakus final ball (which is lacking) so don't think he'd excel as a winger personally at this level

  • Not many wingers can cross these days, tbf
  • alderz said:



    What is good, is that we have two players capable of challenging one another. It's very good for the side to have players who can compete for the shirt.

    This is, for me, part of the much mentioned 'next level' ... the 'back-up' pretty much as good as the 1st choice.
  • ;ok

    I think there are a few positions that are up for debate for us, but the majority of position have, for me, a clear favourite for the starting berth.

    GK Adrian / Randolph
    DR Zabaleta
    DC Reid
    DC Ogbonna / Fonte
    DL Cresswell / Masuaku
    DM Obiang / Noble
    MC Kouyate
    WG Antonio
    AM Lanzini
    WG Ayew
    ST Carroll
  • edited June 2017
    Alderz - interestingly I think if we had that XI out every week for the first 2 months of the season we'd make a great start.

    Problem is getting it out every week. Last season we were destroyed by injuries at the start (Cresswell, Feghouli, Byram, Ayew, Carroll, Sakho, Lanzini) and had Payet returning late!

    The injury history is driving our need for new signings more than anything, as we do possess quality in the starting XI.
  • Luke ;ok

    I mean, from that list (off the top of my head) 9 players of the 15 had spells out injured (Reid, Ogbonna, Cresswell, Masuaku, Obiang, Noble, Antonio, Ayew, Carroll)
  • Someone told me we had 10 players out for at least 2 and half months each last season , any team would struggle with that
  • After last season I would say it's up to cresswell to win his place back.. it was his poor form last year that cost him his place, rather than masuaku forcing him out.. having said that masuaku was very good when he got a run in the team... so off the back of a bad season for cresswell and a decent one from masuaku, cresswell has to use pre season to prove that he is the main LB...

    Teams should be picked on current form. And last year that was in Arthur's favour..
  • I think Arthur had a short spell where he was good, but in reality he played 15 times last season in all competitions. It would be wrong (IMO) to suggest he has proven himself to be a better PL left back than Cresswell in that time.


  • Teams should be picked on current form. And last year that was in Arthur's favour..

    I think we should start afresh with pre-season, not what form they were in 3 months ago.
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