Watford vs West Ham United - 19.11.17 - Match Thread

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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I don't think there is much between either 'keeper. Both can make some great saves and both can mess up.

    It's just I think Adrian has a bit of a cult following and It's felt Hart was dropped on us but was not what we needed.
  • alderzalderz
    I have felt all season that Hart is better than Adrian, but the second goal against Watford was extremely concerning. I read regularly that he is weak low and to his left, and that was the issue there. After that goal, I think I would like a change, tbh.
  • puddleglumhammerspuddleglumhammers
    The worst aspect of Moyes was his use of subs. 2-0 down so replace a striker with a striker - negative. Then replace winger/forward with a left back (why not try Quina?) - negative. Don't use your 3rd sub - CRIMINAL. Put Martinez on for 10/15 minutes with Noble or Kouyate or Obiang going off. So what if we lose 3 or 4 nil.
  • welovethehammerswelovethehammers
    puddleglumhammers said:

    The worst aspect of Moyes was his use of subs. 2-0 down so replace a striker with a striker - negative. Then replace winger/forward with a left back (why not try Quina?) - negative. Don't use your 3rd sub - CRIMINAL. Put Martinez on for 10/15 minutes with Noble or Kouyate or Obiang going off. So what if we lose 3 or 4 nil.

    I disagree.

    Carroll needed to get subbed as he would've got sent off. Moyes was simply being proactive. Plus Carroll was having no joy and the game didn't seem to suit his style of play.

    Masuaku was playing as a left winger not as a left back. And he is perfectly capable of playing there - in fact he's better there than as a defender. So it was a good move choosing him to replace the injured Arnie.

    Our bench was pretty weak. Based on how the game was going (being overan in midfield and being pinned back near our goal) Taking off defensive players for attacking players would be suicidal. Having said all that, for or me we should've brought Rice on for one of our CM's. They were running round a lot and before their 2nd goal those three midfielders ran everywhere but never intercepted the ball or made a tackle. We needed fresh legs Yes, but changing our shape would've been wrong.
  • puddleglumhammerspuddleglumhammers
    Carroll should have been subbed after 20 minutes (or even 20 seconds) if you were worried he might get a red, not 65 minutes.
    And proactive is putting on 2 strikers, not subbing one for another. Especially when trailing 2-0 !
    I know Masuaku has put in good crosses before when played on the wing but Quina might have ran with the ball and threatened defenders a bit, as Richarlison did for them.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited November 2017
    Sorry, puddleglum, but I thought Arthur was our best player when he came on, and did exactly what you thought Quina might have done, which is to say ran at (and past) defenders, and threatened them, and put crosses in.

    Who would you have taken off to get our 2nd striker on?

    Could only really have been one of the 3 MFs to my mind, and that would simply have left us more vulnerable.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    More vulnerable than we were before it was the shape we needed to change another striker making it two up top might have got us that, hindsight a wonderful thing but we were behind and risks would have to be taken to get back into the game imo
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited November 2017
    In Feb 2015, Sam Allardyce took Mark Noble off in the 2nd half because he felt Nobes (already on a yellow) was 1 mistimed tackle away from being sent off.



    We had a lively debate on here as to whether or not the player should be 'protected' from himself (or an inconsistent referee) or should be trusted to get a grip and do his job.

    He (Sam) got pelters for it. Now Moyes is being criticised for doing the opposite. ;hmm


  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    JWB - jumping while black (on the model of DWB - driving while black)

    All clear to me now................. ;puzzled
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Seemed that every time ;ccole went up for a ball, got pinged for a foul. After a while, we came up with the idea he was being penalised for JWB.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    I can see where Puddlegum is coming from, I must admit I was disappointed not to have seen either Martinez or Quina. And as for changing shape/tactics, I think we could have replaced either Kouyate or Obiang with Moyes himself and looked better for it.
    And looking at the highlights earlier today, Christ knows why Reid let the Watford chap a free run on goal for their second. Reids line/angles were all wrong, I thought it at the time, but seeing it again, it looks even worse. Shocking defending.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Grey ;ok You will have to excuse me, I have a severe case of man flu and am a little slow on the uptake. I am, however, (ladies take note) carrying on with my normal heavy workload without so much as a moan, groan or whimper.
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    I think after the miles he travelled Reid can be excused for having a brainfart whilst 'defending'. A pity he couldn't be rested last weekend,
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    He could have tho, isn't Rice a CB..
  • secrethammersfansecrethammersfan
    I had a feeling that Moyes had written the game off as a loss beforehand, because he was planning to use it to run the rule over the team in a match. This does NOT mean I think he's a strategic genius. Maybe it means more that I am hoping there was some method to his madness. Anyway, he now knows how those particular 13 players act and react to his specific instructions in competitive conditions. I hope he has learned enough, but it is very difficult to remain optimistic.

    BTW, over the last ten years, with the exception of Newcastle, has any club suffered the same levels of drama as West Ham (United)?
  • alderzalderz
    secret

    Sunderland, Blackburn, Bolton, Southampton, Leeds, Blackpool, Portsmouth have all had a pretty dramatic time of it, imo
  • brookingsironsbrookingsirons
    Its the one thing I have never been able to understand over 40+ years supporting west ham , we never seem to be able to build on the good times we just mess up on and off the pitch , we have been very unlucky with owners not doing what the set out to do over the years.

    I have always said these current owners are only in it for themselves not the football club and I stand by that I wish we had owner's that actually could really see the potential of this fantastic club not keep doing things on the cheap .
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    True Brookings, just as we seem to of seemed to turn a corner we go and mess it up.....

    I blame the song, “ and like my dreams”
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Corners are not our strongest point, we tend to concede from our own.
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    Or, in AC's case, Jumping While Braindead (or Big, if you want to be kind to him)
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