But he is there by the will of the people so surely cant be a mistake. Can the intelligence people remove him as it would be reckless and not in the national interest or even the global interest to allow him to remain? or can you not go back on these things. Do they need wait four years? lot of consequence can be felt in four years.
C&BS - Section 4 of the Constitution says "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors"
Impeachment requires a simple majority vote in the House of Representatives, the trial is held in the Senate where a conviction requires a two thirds majority,
Currently the House has 238 Republican, 193 Democrat with 4 vacancies, the Senate has 52 Republicans, 46 Democrats and 2 independents who sit with the Democrats so impeachment would require the Republicans to turn on their own president.
It's possible if they prefer and trust the vice president I guess, for as many have pointed out although running as a republican he was really an independent and has likely no more than half of the republican support personally at best.
I think he will continue to embarrass but be tolerated for a period of time as seen as necessary to ensure he is seen to have enough rope, and then if he makes a big mistake they will find something to impeach with.
He also said: ‘We’ve allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing.'
Apparently some Fox News reporter claimed he was attacked in a "no go area" in Sweden which I guess must be pretty much like the "no go areas" Trump claimed we have in London and Birmingham.
I once spent 10 hours post 9-11 in immigration at JFK airport as my family name was Moroccon and sounded a bit Muslimee.
Despite what Trump says, they have a really really rigorous vetting system for immigrants.
And since Jan 2016, anybody who was exempt from getting a visa (under the Visa Waiver Programme) but who had been to Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011 would no longer be able to be exempt. They would have to apply for a visa, and be vetted etc. Even if they were just changing planes.
(See the Dwight Yorke story - was trying to fly from Qatar to Trinidad and Tobago. But there was a stop-over in Miami, so he was refused boarding in Qatar. ;doh )
I do not recall the dates, 2006/7??? but I had to go to the US consulate in London to extend my visa and it was swamped with travelers who suddenly discovered they needed Visa's Simply to transit home via the US.
He's got a point though does Donald, I got very drunk in a NY bar, fell over and broke a chair. I had to be poured into a cab and we had to pay him double to get to the hotel.
He's got a point though does Donald, I got very drunk in a NY bar, fell over and broke a chair. I had to be poured into a cab and we had to pay him double to get to the hotel.
Trump clarifies his comments, claiming he was referring generally to crime in Sweden and its being committed by immigrants, not to a specific terror attack. He got his information about rising crime rates and who committed the crime from a state department briefing something he saw on TV.
So (a) he got the wrong end of the stick while watching TV. (b) He didn't bother to even check if what he thought he heard was what was said. (c) He took the information presented in he TV programme at face value and didn't get it fact-checked.
He 'announced' it to bolster his argument that immigrants from 'the Muslim world' are criminals and terrorists.
Now his supporters are claiming Sweden is covering up immigrant crimes, and that he's right. Despite Sweden denying it. ;doh
Yeold - news coverage in the US of events in non-America isn't great, indeed news coverage outside whichever state you happen to be in isn't particularly good.
There was a meme going around on facebook (as they do) with a smiling George.W.Bush asking 'Missing me yet?'
What it may lead to is a reappraisal of democracy for as I have always said Democracy is not all it's made out to be as it becomes a lever for which information providers to further their agenda, whilst this has been recognised by many since it's inception what has changed is that democracy is being skewed even more lately as social media means everyone can become an information provider without any checks and balances with regard truth, opinion and downright propaganda. Some parties are becoming expert at using this new window fully and I read recently that many fake news stories were emanating from Macadonia, almost like a headquarters for a behind the scenes organisation or figure (bit like wapping when the sun moved I guess). The longer it takes us to bring into the open and be brave enough to say we have a problem with democracy here due to the above the longer we will have issues such as Donald Trump.
There is a genuine conflict of information nowadays though. The current generation and next generation have been bought up to challenge anything and everything, which for a lot of people has turned into doubt over everything and anything.
An interesting one is Russia, if you actually look into it there is a lot of propaganda going both ways its almost impossible to tell what is fact and fiction because both sides just pile on stories that doubt one another.
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Unfortunately it does not appear to be the case ;weep
Impeachment requires a simple majority vote in the House of Representatives, the trial is held in the Senate where a conviction requires a two thirds majority,
Currently the House has 238 Republican, 193 Democrat with 4 vacancies, the Senate has 52 Republicans, 46 Democrats and 2 independents who sit with the Democrats so impeachment would require the Republicans to turn on their own president.
I think he will continue to embarrass but be tolerated for a period of time as seen as necessary to ensure he is seen to have enough rope, and then if he makes a big mistake they will find something to impeach with.
http://www.whu606.com/discussion/comment/850811/#Comment_850811
Madcap, very droll, but is this not the consequence of something you wished for?
http://www.whu606.com/discussion/comment/850745/#Comment_850745
“We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night [Friday night] in Sweden.”
“Sweden, who would believe this? '
;doh
Let's hope nobody does believe it, because it's not true. There was no terror attack.
And yet he continues to lambast the media for reporting 'fake news'.
Well, they will be if they report what he says, 'cos he just makes stuff up. ;angry
That's another lie.
He is beyond despicable
I once spent 10 hours post 9-11 in immigration at JFK airport as my family name was Moroccon and sounded a bit Muslimee.
It is where they play non stop ABBA through a tannoy system?
And since Jan 2016, anybody who was exempt from getting a visa (under the Visa Waiver Programme) but who had been to Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011 would no longer be able to be exempt. They would have to apply for a visa, and be vetted etc. Even if they were just changing planes.
(See the Dwight Yorke story - was trying to fly from Qatar to Trinidad and Tobago. But there was a stop-over in Miami, so he was refused boarding in Qatar. ;doh )
It was a madhouse
I'm not sure if I have understood your point. ;hmm
That vetting quote was clearly referring to people from the 'banned' countries, and the executive orders designed to 'make our country safe'.
I was a total 'undesirable'.
;biggrin
Trump clarifies his comments, claiming he was referring generally to crime in Sweden and its being committed by immigrants, not to a specific terror attack. He got his information about rising crime rates and who committed the crime from
a state department briefingsomething he saw on TV.So (a) he got the wrong end of the stick while watching TV. (b) He didn't bother to even check if what he thought he heard was what was said. (c) He took the information presented in he TV programme at face value and didn't get it fact-checked.
He 'announced' it to bolster his argument that immigrants from 'the Muslim world' are criminals and terrorists.
Now his supporters are claiming Sweden is covering up immigrant crimes, and that he's right. Despite Sweden denying it. ;doh
Is half of America on the Wacky Backy ?
Any chance of Orwell's War or the worlds being newsread on Fox? ;yercoat
What it may lead to is a reappraisal of democracy for as I have always said Democracy is not all it's made out to be as it becomes a lever for which information providers to further their agenda, whilst this has been recognised by many since it's inception what has changed is that democracy is being skewed even more lately as social media means everyone can become an information provider without any checks and balances with regard truth, opinion and downright propaganda. Some parties are becoming expert at using this new window fully and I read recently that many fake news stories were emanating from Macadonia, almost like a headquarters for a behind the scenes organisation or figure (bit like wapping when the sun moved I guess). The longer it takes us to bring into the open and be brave enough to say we have a problem with democracy here due to the above the longer we will have issues such as Donald Trump.
An interesting one is Russia, if you actually look into it there is a lot of propaganda going both ways its almost impossible to tell what is fact and fiction because both sides just pile on stories that doubt one another.
He hates the media so much and doesn't trust them to report the truth, but sees something on TV and takes it at face value?
Either he is a massive liar, or a massive idiot. Maybe both, actually.
Fox News, being quite right wing, probably gets his ;ok more than other outlets.