The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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What has been frustrating for people that voted out is that those that voted remain seem set on proving just how bad everything is in the hope that it will change those that voted to leaves mind. By remainers trying to prove the negatives they are possibly adding to the issues, without yet waiting to see what exit deal we can secure.
From my own personal point of view I would accept things getting a lot worse yet. FTSE 100 goes down, this doesn't really affect me day to day.
Sterling goes down, a few things get a bit more expensive but on the whole my day to day life doesn't change.
GDP goes down (it is actually up) oh well, these are just numbers on a chart to the average person who voted.
Unemployment goes up, this one I admit would be bad and I hope doesn't happen and hasn't happened yet.
Most people feel so detached about government figures, but what they can see is how their own local area is changing, and if it is for the worse then I can understand them wanting to change that.
One of the most damaging things about close call referendum is the divisive nature of it, as seen in the Scottish Independence vote also, this division I feel makes people dig in far deeper than is rational for their chosen side. I recall Boris the day after the vote making the point that it was close and an awful lot of people also voted to stay, were that the tone and narrative continued with it may have been more helpful, sadly Theresa has played to the home crowd and had a go at anyone who wants to bring the referendum and it's consequences into question, something there are many grounds to do in my view. All of this sets a divisive tone and so both sides dig in, the leavers want to claim victory at all costs quite possibly, whilst the remainers revel in their more immediately pragmatic and intellectual prognosis to be proven correct, sometimes at all costs. On this point I have spoken to leavers who would willingly sacrifice everything to get their win, and remainers who would happily see the nation taken back to the 70's to be able to say I told you so...... usually the thing found in common between these two people is nothing to lose, either they are insulated from it through wealth, or have nothing anyway and so if everyone has nothing what does it matter also. Sadly we can be sure that the politicians will mostly fall into the former of these two categories.
My hope is that in or out we retain enough pragmatism to put the national interest first, if we can get a deal that works, that could make it a good move then have a go, but if it is blatantly clear we cannot, that the nation will be set back by such a move, that we have the courage to re-consider our course and not act like it is set in stone and that democracy ended in June, and that that vote will forever trump all conditions no matter how they evolve.
If both remainers and leavers all looked to approach it together then there may be less of the digging it trying to prove one side right or wrong, which in my opinion is impossible to do as we will never be able to compare what would have happened to what is now going to happen.
I would like to see more of the approach that Boris outlined after the vote, as I consider myself as a moderate leave voter and also fully appreciate that there were 48% of people that wanted to stay that we need to reconnect with too. However remainers were quick to jump on that saying that the leavers are trying to go back on their word so the hard stance was adopted by Teresa May.
I would be the first to say that we may need to re evaluate if things really do get bad, however I do not believe that will happen as we are a major economy and there is a whole wide world out there that we can trade with. Also worst case we need to pay tariffs for access to the EU market, reports state that will make us 12b from the EU and cost us 6b so a net gain.
My fear is that remainers will do their best to see the country fail and that leavers will accept that to get the victory they think they won. What I think will happen though is that a middle ground will be found (and there will need to be compromises on both sides) and that actually we can make it work and still have a successful country and economy.
Otherwise why not have an EU referendum every 5 years if the EU does not change what so ever.
I don't think there's any mechanism to 'untrigger' as it were.
Alternatively, say it was a sting operation. #entrapment
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37838087
..........not. ;whistle
Not in the same league, not even close.
"The last time CPI inflation hit 4% was in 2011.....
And the reason for that was.........erm...................was erm......................
Prices go up and down, markets go up and down, currencies go up and down. This happens Brexit or no Brexit. Everyone expected economic volatility, there will be economic volatility, we are just about clawing our selves out of one of the longest, deepest World recessions, what caused that, Brexit????? Remainers can point to countless charts, diagrams and statistics both pre and post the Brexit vote and it PROVES nothing. Yeold was absolutely gutted at the Brexit result, but as he says above, do we have a vote every time the markets wobble, every time things look a little uncomfortable? One major cause of economic instability is uncertainty, not until May triggers article 50, not until the UK, the EU and the rest of the World have hammered out their deals (protected the very wealthiest) will graphs and pie charts mean diddly squat. This will take years.
Its a whole lot harder in this day and age to do anything local, we are in a global economy whether you believe it or not. Made in China labelled everywhere and for a reason they produce it cheap and export it and unless the UK is prepared to lower living standards to that of China to compete there is very little that the UK or anyone else will produce that the Chinese cannot do cheaper and for a fraction of the cost.
Its one of the biggest reasons i voted to remain in the EU because by god do i think the Conservatives wish they could turn the average workers, working conditions into that of China's pittance pay, pittance working conditions.
Workers have never had it so good, especially with H&S standards now too. Any government that tries to go back on these minimum standards know they would be booted out straight away.
Also the referendum was not about party politics but a bigger issue of EU politics. If you don't like what the government does here you can vote against them.
Unions all but powerless, pension age getting ever higher, zero-hours contracts on the rise, 'gig' economy, unpaid internships masquerading as training, workers in small businesses not benefiting from the same protections as those in large businesses..
I could go on.
All of these are making things worse for workers, not better.
And have they committed to increases over time, or will we see it frozen at current levels ad infinitum? I know which one I would bet on.
As for maternity pay, a similar point applies. And while the payments may remain at the same level, I wonder if all those currently entitled will remain entitled? ;hmm